If we turned violent would this dweeb survive
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These dweebs have no clue as to how society being threatened by them is bound to turn sour real quick if they were attacked in reprisals by the folks they attack.
Cherry Bomb (blog) the Vegan Revolution won’t be achieved by Non Violence by Cherry Bomb 7 JULY, 2010 http://cherrybomb nutcase e1.the-vegan-revolution-wont-be-achieved-by-non-violence/ written by Alison Stone The following is a reaction I have to all of the “non violence only” vegans out that who are strangling the Animal Rights Movement. This is why I will never oppose MDA, or those who participate in it. “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.” --John F. Kennedy I say this here and now, I support any tactic which saves the life of an animal. I will not rule out anything on principle. Because when someone puts their principle of Non Violence ahead of Total Liberation the consequence is ANIMALS DIE. The Animal Rights Movement (with the wonderful acronym of ARM) is fighting a war on two fronts – against the actual animal abusers and those who are destroying Animal Rights from within. Of the two, the insiders who a bringing down Real ARAs are worse. It is not ok to sit back and watch animal dies because you prefer Non Violence to Doing Something. You have made the decision on behalf of animals that it is ok to sacrifice their lives on the altar of your non Violence beliefs. Their freedom and liberation must be postponed until you managed to educate the world. How many animals are dying while you sit around blogging to each other the latest links from the Non Violence Temple that is ARZ? You talk to fellow Non Violence zombies about Non Violence while the Real ARAs are saving animals. Animal abusers are the known enemy, but the Non Violence vegans pretend to be on the side of the animals, when in reality, they are derailing the Real ARAs, putting out lies and distractions about what Vegan and Animal Rights is, they are discrediting and bullying Real ARAs, they are collaborating with the State and law enforcement agencies in order to destroy Real ARAs, they are actively, deliberately and happily causing division within Animal Rights to further their own goals which have nothing to do with Total Liberation. The ‘Non violence’ adherents are followers of the Narrow-thinking GL Francione. They have corrupted what Animal Rights means to most people outside of animal rights, and they are a dangerous trend. I say trend because in my opinion they are involved in Animal Rights because GL Francione tells them to. I believe they have no real interest in TOTAL LIBERATION for anyone. They are in the grip of othorexia (a disordered obsession with eating only healthy foods). And when their infatuation with GL Francione fades so will their passion for Animal Activism. “Nonviolence is fine as long as it works.” --Malcolm X Non violence is not working. Because what certain people in AR consider to be Non Violence is in actuality a complete withdrawal from any activity that would liberate any animal. They have retreated and are collaborating with the abusers. The GL Francione cult has collaborated with “Center for Consumer Freedom” a meat and dairy propaganda organisation with the sole intention of destroying any animal organisation that isn’t them. By decreeing anyone who rejects the 100% non violence model as being “terrorists” and “criminals” you are using the language of those in power. You are aligning with the State who would repress any activist who fights to save a life. “By vilifying sabotage tactics as “violent,” and by conflating attacks on property with assaults on people, Franciombes adopt the reactionary discourse and position of the FBI and the corporate-state-media complex. They needlessly and divisively pit education in opposition to illegal tactics (even open rescues), as if the two tactics were irreconcilably opposed rather than complimentary aspects of a revolutionary process.” --Steven Best, Negotiation Is Over, ‘Manifesto for Total Liberation by Any Means Necessary’ Non Violence does not work It didn’t work in 1970 against a Vietnam war, it won’t work in a world where 6 billion people see nothing wrong with rape and murder of animals to satisfy their tastebuds. The Vietnam war did not end because people wished and hoped and chanted ‘Peace, man!’. People of all ages took to the streets, young men who were conscripted chose prison as Conscientious Objectors, students were slaughtered at Kent State University, the media showed the death toll on the televisions every night as parents and grandparents sat down to eat their evening meal and imagined it could be their child, the Peace Movement engaged people from different walks of life and embraced them all. “War is over … If you want it.” --John Lennon A phrase which has been “borrowed” and adapted by Non Violence vegans to further their Non Violence apathy. The difference being – John Lennon was bigger than Jesus (according to the Beatles), most of the world knew who John Lennon was. Lennon did not just sit around blogging for peace, he staged Love In in hotels around the world in front of the media, the wrote songs, he gave interviews. The Vietnam war was directed by the US government and allies. A tiny fraction of the people of the world. It was easy to stop because of the small number of people involved. Unlike Necrovorism, which is most of the world’s population. And Lennon didn’t stop the war on his own. Does GL Francione really think he is more important than Lennon, a man who thought he was bigger than Jesus. More people in the world have heard of John Lennon and Jesus than have ever heard of GL Francione – in fact: more people in my house have heard of Lennon and Jesus than Francione “You can jail a Revolutionary, but you can’t jail the Revolution.” --Huey Newton The Non Violence / MDA (militant direction action) debate is based on a false dichotomy It is not One or The Other, Non Violence rejects everything that isn’t non Violence, while supporters of MDA use a diversity of tactics, including non violence where appropriate. It is by Any Means Necessary, that does not exclude any tactic or method which saves a life. The opposite of Non Violence Veganism is not Violence, instead it’s Whatever It Takes. Non Violence does not say what you stand for, it only describes what you are against. It is not a tactic, it is a statement of what you believe. “Let me just say: Peace to you, if you’re willing to fight for it.” --Fred Hampton I once asked a member of the GLF cult what they actually, physically did to make the world a more vegan place. The standard answer is “education”. I’m not sure what they mean by that, because as far as I can see, it mostly involves trolling non-GLF forums, blogs and people in order to post lots and lots of links to GLF’s website. You ask them to name one specific thing the Non Violence CULT have done and they make some vague reference to a person who hit the streets for vegan outreach – once, a long time ago. Education is a first step, awareness is the beginning, but then what? If you want a vegan revolution, it starts by putting animals first. Not second to your non violence commandments. An animal that dies today cannot be resurrected tomorrow. While you are preaching NON Violence Only, animals are dying. Businesses are making money from murder, governments are imprisoning activists, traitors are collaborating with government agencies, and nothing much changes. Animals will be saved by those taking action. “He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it.’ --Martin Luther King, Jr. I don’t have time to wait for you to educate 6 billion people that using animals is wrong, I will get on with saving an animal’s life. . . . BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY
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If things get bad enough, it should be fairly easy to bump this clown on the head and consume him if needed. LOL!!
This idiot is a classic example of the type of person who thinks that the government should fufill all his needs and wants. Every time there is an accident or problem he will yell "there aught to be a law against..."
He should continue to live with his mommy and check the closet for the boogie man. Bottom line is either his girlfriend or wife will leave him for a meat and potatoes guy or she is just as nuts as he is. Either is fine as long as they don't bother me. But they will.
This kind of crap all started because of the industrial age... If you had to work to grow your own food, trap, hunt, fish or raise it these idiots wouldn't have time to sit arround and think up crap like this. It is about controlling others. I don't care if this guy only wants to eat carrots. Thats his business, but don't be telling me what my business aught to be. Besides you ever look at a vegan? Always have no energy or staying power for heavey work, always look kinda like they been floatin in a river for about a week or so. Always in a bad mood... Because they need a BLT... i would say he's too lean for good food values
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This clown and those like him are a great argument for govt.funded castaration and sterilization. I wish he would eat by a wolf and defecated offn a cliff.
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Re: If we turned violent would this dweeb survive
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Does this idiot realize that BOTH sides have adopted a non violent policy to battle each other? So far I don't know of any trappers, or hunters that have physically and violently confronted any AR activists. There might have been an isolated incident or 2, but I can't recall any.
But if they get violent, that will be a two way street, and we know who some of the more active ones are. Trappers and hunters will not turn the other cheek very often, and we, as a whole, are a lot more capable of defending ourselves than they seem to realize.
ANIMAL RIGHTS people that are lurking, take notice of what I just said. This is not a threat, it is an answer to the above threat made to us. I for one, and I know many others will agree with me, will retaliate, we will defend ourselves, our families, and our rights, so you would be well advised to stay with your non-violent policy.
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I wish I hadn't moved, this made me so mad I would go kick my neighbors pig.
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If things get bad enough, it should be fairly easy to bump this clown on the head and consume him if needed. LOL!!
This idiot is a classic example of the type of person who thinks that the government should fufill all his needs and wants. Every time there is an accident or problem he will yell "there aught to be a law against..."
He should continue to live with his mommy and check the closet for the boogie man. Bottom line is either his girlfriend or wife will leave him for a meat and potatoes guy or she is just as nuts as he is. Either is fine as long as they don't bother me. But they will.
This kind of crap all started because of the industrial age... If you had to work to grow your own food, trap, hunt, fish or raise it these idiots wouldn't have time to sit arround and think up crap like this. It is about controlling others. I don't care if this guy only wants to eat carrots. Thats his business, but don't be telling me what my business aught to be. Besides you ever look at a vegan? Always have no energy or staying power for heavey work, always look kinda like they been floatin in a river for about a week or so. Always in a bad mood... Because they need a BLT... i would say he's too lean for good food values I bet vegans would taste like a veal calf....
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Cherry Bomb (blog) the Vegan Revolution won’t be achieved by Non Violence by Cherry Bomb 7 JULY, 2010 when someone puts their principle of Non Violence ahead of Total Liberation the consequence is ANIMALS DIE.
Hey idiot, I'm only going to say this once so listen up:Animals will still die...that's the way life works.
The Vietnam war did not end because people wished and hoped and chanted ‘Peace, man!’. The Vietnam war was directed by the US government and allies.
Hey loser, the Vietnam war is long gone. Put down the weed, stop doing acid and get up to speed with reality.
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She said she has no principles. My life is based on principles. Insolent, arrogant people drive me nuts. How can someone live their life without fundamental principles? I don't get it...
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She said she has no principles. My life is based on principles. Insolent, arrogant people drive me nuts. How can someone live their life without fundamental principles? I don't get it... Actually the author is stating that they will fight any animal use because of the author's principle. Re-read the statement and you will see the author claims that those who will not employ violence do not have the authors principles. Sadly the author is like the Pharisee that Christ refers to in the parable of the Self Righteous versus the publican sinner. The pharisee thanks God for making him so much better than the rest of mankind. Meanwhile the publican is so ashamed of his sins that he will not even look heavenward but slams his fist into his chest and cries out to God to forgive him a filthy sinner. For all the authors self-righteousness the Pharisee will be spurned by God because of his pride & hatred for his neighbors .Jesus claimed God will love the publican more because of his shame and repentance for his sins. Luke 18 shows the author is threading ground in the same shoes as the Pharisee. 9 And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: 10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. 11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. 12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. 13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. 14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
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I should also note that if God created this Universe and I sincerely believe He did, then it is His plan that all life will feed on all other life forms in order to survive. It is not the flesh of animals that God worries about. It is the Souls of His Children once the flesh is parted from the Soul.
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The author is a woman who has written a lot of this kind of crap. Seems to consume her entire life.
I wonder if she'd be all that interested in violent confrontation with a trapper in the woods armed with a rifle and a shovel.
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The author is a woman who has written a lot of this kind of crap. Seems to consume her entire life.
I wonder if she'd be all that interested in violent confrontation with a trapper in the woods armed with a rifle and a shovel. Maybe ,but I figure she would pull a act like the Sea Shepherd's Captain Bethune and beg forgivness for her transactions while looking for a box of tissues to wipe the tears from her eyes. Then once your back was turned she would heave your traps into the lake.
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ALF "Lone Wolf" claims another UT arson (ABC News)‏ Sent: July 8, 2010 3:41:02 PM ABC-TV4 (UT) Animal activist claims responsibility for arson fires Reported by: Marcos Ortiz July 8, 2010 http://www.abc4.com/mostpopular/story/An...kf3vFjM8qA.cspxSANDY, UT (ABC 4 NEWS) - The fire at the Tiburon restaurant was small but enough to shut the place down. "We don't know if they forced their way in or found an unlocked door," said Sandy Police Sergent Troy Arnold. Overnight, ABC 4 News received this e-mail....It said, "The ALF (animal liberation front) is watching and there is nowhere to hide. The arson at the Tiburon restaurant in Sandy Utah was done because of there (sic) sale of Foie Gras (young duck) and other 'wild game'. Animals exist for there (sic) own purposes, not human ends. Go Vegan! ALF Lonewolf." A spokesperson for ALF says the menu is a big problem with activists, "This is not a delicacy. It's nothing more than animal cruelty and animal abuse served on a plate." ABC 4 News took the e-mail to Sandy Police, "Anytime we have a fire, particularly something that might be an arson and someone actually claims responsibility for it, it's concerning for the police department. We're going to take this information you brought to us seriously," said Sgt. Arnold. Detectives took down clues that may lead to the identity of the so-called "Lonewolf". It's the third time Lonewolf has surfaced following a fire. The Tandy Leather Store in Salt Lake City and a Denver sheepskin shop were fires in which Lonewolf claimed it was done to save animals. "Activists feel like they're in a position where their voices can't be heard, and as long as their voices can't be heard people will find other ways to get the message across," says spokesperson for ALF. If ALF keep making their voices heard this way the real people who are being attacked are going to correct ALF impressions of La La Land permanently. And it won't be pretty in La La Land anymore.
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Sooner or later one of these clowns is going to mess with the wrong guy, the police will catch him, he'll do a little time in jail, and as soon as he gets out he'll either disappear or be found dead with a carrot stuck up his rectum.
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Now the same loons are trying to pretend they can be obnoxious & viloent without being noticed. They pretend that the terrorist & violent actions they claim as theirs aren,t going to be investigated and infiltrated. They denounce infiltration by policing units who are trying to gain first hand knowledge as if the terrorists were being abused even though their own actions verify that police have reasons for keeping an eye on any vandal or terrorist using the rhetoric found in this thread.
"Conspiracy Tour" dates and locations (Blog)‏ Sent: July 9, 2010 2:11:07 PM Conspiracy Tour Conspiracy Tour 2010 Slinking Into Your Town This Summer! July 3, 2010 http://conspiracytour-tour-2010-slinking-into-your-town-this-summer/ Tour to Raise Support Has the State Up in Arms The State of Minnesota alleges that organizing a convergence space for protesters to have meetings, eat free meals, and check teh interwebs (on computers that an FBI informant helpfully set up!) makes the RNC 8 guilty of conspiracy. The Federal government claims that Scott DeMuth’s writings and associations suggest that he is an anarchist and therefore a domestic terrorist, making him guilty of conspiracy under the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act. We say organizing resistance to state repression isn’t conspiracy. It’s survival. We say living our lives according to our principles isn’t terrorism. It’s our right. We say we’ll continue organizing no matter how much the state tries to destroy us and our communities. So if this is conspiracy, we say to you…Join the Conspiracy! This summer, the Conspiracy Tour is going on a whirlwind, month-long excursion across the continental United States to raise awareness of and solidarity for political activists from Minneapolis, MN who are facing severe state repression. Come join us in raising political support and much-needed legal defense funds for the RNC 8 and Scott DeMuth. It’s been alleged that the Tour will include a musical puppet show, a scintillating presentation on the charges the activists are facing, and various (some would say nefarious) ways you can join the Conspiracy to support targets of state repression. In addition to the usual perks of joining a conspiracy, co-conspirators will be learning ways to strengthen and protect their communities from future incidences of state repression. You know, just in case. Come find solidarity, strategizing, resistance, and community that the state could only dream of! This will be a roadshow to remember even before you read about it in your FBI file. Find out more about the Tour: http://conspiracytour.Wanna help out? Hit us up at midwestconspiracy(A)gmail.com. About the RNC 8 The RNC 8–Max Specktor (who will be speaking on the West Coast stops of the tour), Erik Oseland, Eryn Trimmer, Garret Fitzgerald, Luce Guillén-Givins, Monica Bicking, Nathanael Secor, and Rob Czernik–were preemptively arrested in a series of raids by heavily armed SWAT teams and other targeted arrests on the weekend before the Republican National Convention in 2008. The criminal complaints are based on the allegations of confidential reliable informants and an undercover Ramsey County Sheriff’s deputy, who infiltrated the RNC Welcoming Committee and conducted surveillance on the activists for about a year. Ramsey County Attorney Susan Gaertner initially slapped them with “terrorism” enhancements in the first known use of Minnesota’s version of the PATRIOT Act. After a successful pressure campaign against Gaertner’s gubernatorial bid, she dismissed the terrorism enhancement charges. The 8 still face felony charges of conspiracy to commit riot in the 2nd degree and conspiracy to commit criminal damage to property in the 1st degree. Their joint trial will begin on October 25, 2010 and could last up to two months. About Scott DeMuth In November 2009, Scott DeMuth and Carrie Feldman were subpoenaed to a federal grand jury in Iowa investigating a 2004 Animal Liberation Front raid at the University of Iowa. Though they had no information about the incident, they both refused to cooperate with the grand jury on principle and were jailed for civil contempt. Carrie was held for four months before being released, and will be speaking about her experience on this tour. Two days after being jailed, Scott was indicted for conspiracy under the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act. He has been released with conditions pending trial and has been re-indicted twice in response to his attorneys’ motions to dismiss. In March 2010, the Utah house of well-known animal rights activist and former political prisoner Peter Young was raided on a federal search warrant from Iowa. The raid happened only days before Carrie’s release and lists Scott and others by name. Tour Schedule (more updated info with locations on our website) Winona July 25 Madison J26 Milwaukee J27 Chicago J28 Cleveland J29 Pittsburgh July 30 + 31 Buffalo August 1 NYC A2 Philadelphia A3 DC A4 Carrboro A6 Asheville A7 Louisville A8 Bloomington, IN A9 St Louis A10 Omaha A11 Denver A12 Salt Lake City A13 Bay Area A14 +15 Santa Cruz A16 Portland A18 Tacoma A19 Seattle A20 Rock Island A23 Iowa City A24 Minneapolis A26 This tour is part of the We Are Everywhere campaign, a month of decentralized anarchist activities and events to promote visibility and outreach in August 2010. Looking forward to seeing you there!
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Looks like the Cherry Bomb is upset that a vegan loon got caught and his buds went into hiding. The Cherry Bomb likes to make the snow balls but can't handle the heat of knowing the consequences from law enforcement, is capable of silencing her supporters.Cherry Bomb: Vegan…No Compromise AR Activist abandoned by the “community” he fought for by Cherry Bomb 25 JULY, 2010 http://cherrybomb whines about ar-activist-abandoned-by-the-community-he-fought-for/ by Ali Stone “Any movement that does not support its internees … is a sham movement.” (Ojore N Lutalo, anarchist prisoner, February 6, 1995). When the breaking news came through that Lone Wolf had been capture (Voice of the Voiceless: Journal of the ANIMAL LIBERATION movement FBI Makes Arrest in A.L.F. “Lone Wolf” Arsons there was overwhelming silence from the Animal Rights so-called Community. Aside from the morality of burning up insects (which Abolitionist vegans would say could might maybe possibly one day potentially be trapped in a burning building) and stores that profit from the murder of animals, is other issues. The silence is shameful. Have we all been so cowered and brainwashed by the likes of Roger Yates and Gary Francione that we are a movement of “non violence” (do nothing for fear of doing the wrong thing) instead of FIGHTING FOR ANIMAL RIGHTS. Also, it is alleged that informants were used by the FBI, people who LONE WOLF had conversations with either went to the FBI with this information, of allowed their conversation to be monitored. Informants for the STATE, that is just as shameful. It’s time the Animal Rights “community” started to realise this WAR will not be won by abandoning those doing the fighting. If the “community” continues to shun, ignore, hide, or avoid this man and this issue, you don’t deserve to use the phrase “Animal Rights” to label yourself or use the term “community” to describe what you are. Who will they come for tomorrow? Will you be safe? Will you stop all activism because you are too scared of the government? What happens when they come for you? Will you scream and shout as loudly as you can asking people to step up?
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She likes to use the term WAR far to loosely.
Sit back and enjoy the show as a nation of sheep unquestioningly and unknowingly follows their perceived savior off a cliff.
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Was it Sarah Palin who said that if God did not intend for man to eat animals he wouldn't have made them so tasty? I think she could take this loser with one arm tied behind her back.
“What’s good for me may not be good for the weak minded.” Captain Gus McCrae- Texas Rangers
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Re: If we turned violent would this dweeb survive
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I can't tell you how disappointed I am that there not coming to Idaho... Careful what you wish for, with Idaho's pending wolf trapping season, I expect they will be out in full force..I've yet to run into any of these loons in the field, but have no doubt of cowardice sabotage to trappers property in Idaho if the wolf season gets approved.
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Re: If we turned violent would this dweeb survive
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I can't tell you how disappointed I am that there not coming to Idaho... Careful what you wish for, with Idaho's pending wolf trapping season, I expect they will be out in full force..I've yet to run into any of these loons in the field, but have no doubt of cowardice sabotage to trappers property in Idaho if the wolf season gets approved. You nailed it Trap n hunt. They do their most devious work in the dark ,brag about it and whine about getting caught after the damage is done.
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Re: If we turned violent would this dweeb survive
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07/28/10 06:34 AM
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Spent some time on the ALF site the other night. You know keep your friends close and your enemies closer kind of a thing. I think we need to be careful not to stoop to their level. There is logic and science in what we do.These people will self destruct via there own constitution,I think we just need to continue to educate the non-trapping public about the need and reality of our sport.
Thank God I'm from Pennsylvania, Now if we could just sell Philadelphia to New Jersey
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Re: If we turned violent would this dweeb survive
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08/05/10 09:18 AM
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Blogger derides non-violent activism (NIO)‏
Negotiation Is Over (blog) Animal Rights has a cancer, time to cut it out
By Alison Stone (Cherry Bomb) August 4, 2010 — http://LOOPY VEGAN says/negotiationisover When you have a cancer in your body, you cut it out. Or you radiate it. Or douse it with some of the strongest chemicals available. You do not redefine what health is to accommodate cancer. The animal rights movement has a cancer and we are allowing that cancer to redefine what fighting for animal rights is. It’s time to cut it out, or deal with it in some other way. There are many good activists, hardcore activists, who are in the streets making real differences in the lives of actual living breathing animals, not merely debating philosophy about “theoretical animals.” And, when these in-the-street activists are having second thoughts about actions they take to save animals because these inactive theorists insist on being toxic and divisive, then it is past time to cut out the cancer. The drama is over. How much longer will inactive vegans continue to wield their practice-deficient theories like a weapon to attack any and all action taken by activists (the root word being “active”)? The answer is “only as long as we allow it.” Fundamentalists may no longer hold the animal rights movement hostage; the only relevant and self-evident fact is that the animals pay with their flesh and blood when we are distracted by vegans who satisfy their need for attention and ego-stroking while simultaneously aligning themselves with the oppressor, labeling activists — NOT INDUSTRIAL ABUSERS — “violent,” threatening them with legal action, and gratuitous harassment. I believe it was Roger Yates who said “I have grown used to hearing accusations that Gary Francione’s animal rights position, in particular, is ‘divisive’.” This is an extraordinary claim considering Mr. Francione does little more than criticize action and encourage & reinforce division. In an interview with Friends of Animals: “Peter Singer and Ingrid Newkirk recently complained that I attacked their views but that we were all ‘on the same side.’ If there is one thing that of which I am certain, I am not ‘on the same side’ as Peter and Ingrid. Our views are very different. Our goals are very different. We need more disagreement within the movement, not less. And we should not be afraid of being labeled as “divisive.” That is a label used by those who have nothing of substance to say in response to legitimate criticisms or observations.” -Professor Gary L. Francione Vegans need to continually challenge each other’s positions and ideology, not each other. We need a revolution of thought, personal growth as activists, and evolution as a movement. We do not need dogma, disagreement, and divisiveness. In one breath, Francione factionalizes the movement, positions himself on a different “side,” and, astoundingly, concludes that he is not an agent of division. And, of course, those who disagree simply have “nothing of substance to say.” Sticking ones fingers in their ears and sticking their tongue out does not invalidate the criticism, it only underscores the hypocrisy. Theory doesn’t save an animal. Debating theory wastes time. Unless of course, your goal is to waste time. But, then again, if one is not on the side of the movement, he/she is likely on the side of the enemy. The civilian resistance of occupied France and prisoners of war in Germany often used distraction and time wasting as a tactic to undermine the “master race”. While the occupiers were so busy running around dealing with the distractions from the Resistance, they weren’t running the war. To the drama queens, collaborators, welfarists & pseudo-abolitionists, egomaniacs, megalomaniacs, and those trading on their past glory days, if you are not doing anything to fight for animal liberation – right now – you are a cancer. You are killing the whole body. Time to go. Alison Stone is NIO’s Senior Editor of Radical Justice & Creative Resistance. She is also a Task Force Director. Alison has been a vegetarian since 1987 and became vegan a few years later. Her passion for justice is grounded with the perspective gained through her studies of past radicalized social movements, and the inspiration she takes from feminists such as Women International Terrorist Conspiracy from [Please excuse my language... I'm an idiot]. Her creativity combined with a penchant for both subversion and strategy allow her to perpetually challenge preconceptions and encourage people to think. In Alison’s words, “I am bewildered at the lack of radicalism in animal activism – to paraphrase Utah Phillips, ‘the animals aren’t dying, they’re being killed, and the people killing them have names and addresses.’”
The old Cherry Bomb is a certifiable nut case who has no idea how much her type of dictatorial rhetoric is disliked in North America.
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Re: If we turned violent would this dweeb survive
[Re: Mira Trapper]
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08/05/10 10:11 AM
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Blogger derides non-violent activism (NIO)‏
Negotiation Is Over (blog) Animal Rights has a cancer, time to cut it out
By Alison Stone (Cherry Bomb) August 4, 2010 — http://LOOPY VEGAN says/negotiationisover When you have a cancer in your body, you cut it out. Or you radiate it. Or douse it with some of the strongest chemicals available. You do not redefine what health is to accommodate cancer. The animal rights movement has a cancer and we are allowing that cancer to redefine what fighting for animal rights is. It’s time to cut it out, or deal with it in some other way. There are many good activists, hardcore activists, who are in the streets making real differences in the lives of actual living breathing animals, not merely debating philosophy about “theoretical animals.” And, when these in-the-street activists are having second thoughts about actions they take to save animals because these inactive theorists insist on being toxic and divisive, then it is past time to cut out the cancer. The drama is over. How much longer will inactive vegans continue to wield their practice-deficient theories like a weapon to attack any and all action taken by activists (the root word being “active”)? The answer is “only as long as we allow it.” Fundamentalists may no longer hold the animal rights movement hostage; the only relevant and self-evident fact is that the animals pay with their flesh and blood when we are distracted by vegans who satisfy their need for attention and ego-stroking while simultaneously aligning themselves with the oppressor, labeling activists — NOT INDUSTRIAL ABUSERS — “violent,” threatening them with legal action, and gratuitous harassment. I believe it was Roger Yates who said “I have grown used to hearing accusations that Gary Francione’s animal rights position, in particular, is ‘divisive’.” This is an extraordinary claim considering Mr. Francione does little more than criticize action and encourage & reinforce division. In an interview with Friends of Animals: “Peter Singer and Ingrid Newkirk recently complained that I attacked their views but that we were all ‘on the same side.’ If there is one thing that of which I am certain, I am not ‘on the same side’ as Peter and Ingrid. Our views are very different. Our goals are very different. We need more disagreement within the movement, not less. And we should not be afraid of being labeled as “divisive.” That is a label used by those who have nothing of substance to say in response to legitimate criticisms or observations.” -Professor Gary L. Francione Vegans need to continually challenge each other’s positions and ideology, not each other. We need a revolution of thought, personal growth as activists, and evolution as a movement. We do not need dogma, disagreement, and divisiveness. In one breath, Francione factionalizes the movement, positions himself on a different “side,” and, astoundingly, concludes that he is not an agent of division. And, of course, those who disagree simply have “nothing of substance to say.” Sticking ones fingers in their ears and sticking their tongue out does not invalidate the criticism, it only underscores the hypocrisy. Theory doesn’t save an animal. Debating theory wastes time. Unless of course, your goal is to waste time. But, then again, if one is not on the side of the movement, he/she is likely on the side of the enemy. The civilian resistance of occupied France and prisoners of war in Germany often used distraction and time wasting as a tactic to undermine the “master race”. While the occupiers were so busy running around dealing with the distractions from the Resistance, they weren’t running the war. To the drama queens, collaborators, welfarists & pseudo-abolitionists, egomaniacs, megalomaniacs, and those trading on their past glory days, if you are not doing anything to fight for animal liberation – right now – you are a cancer. You are killing the whole body. Time to go. Alison Stone is NIO’s Senior Editor of Radical Justice & Creative Resistance. She is also a Task Force Director. Alison has been a vegetarian since 1987 and became vegan a few years later. Her passion for justice is grounded with the perspective gained through her studies of past radicalized social movements, and the inspiration she takes from feminists such as Women International Terrorist Conspiracy from [Please excuse my language... I'm an idiot]. Her creativity combined with a penchant for both subversion and strategy allow her to perpetually challenge preconceptions and encourage people to think. In Alison’s words, “I am bewildered at the lack of radicalism in animal activism – to paraphrase Utah Phillips, ‘the animals aren’t dying, they’re being killed, and the people killing them have names and addresses.’”
The old Cherry Bomb is a certifiable nut case who has no idea how much her type of dictatorial rhetoric is disliked in North America. This is good the fools that are the foot soldiers of this movement have finally realized what tools they are the ones in charge of the movement that make the money and call the shots use the fools to raise money with and then throw them away when they are finished using them as the tools they are. Get used to being used and thrown away you bunch of morons ROFL uncle pete and auntie Ingrid ARE in charge you are only tools to be used LOLOLOL I think vegans probably taste like venison veal being soybean fed ( tofu) and all LOL
I TRAP PETA'S FRONT PORCH
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