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#1607757 - 11/21/09 05:31 PM Re: The Almighty Alaskan Thread #4 [Re: white17]
Wolfwoman Offline
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Originally Posted By: white17
Well where the Ol' Blister is concerned I guess I have to say it all Depends.


That was just wrong!! LMAO!!
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#1607822 - 11/21/09 06:01 PM Re: The Almighty Alaskan Thread #4 [Re: white17]
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Originally Posted By: white17
We have maybe 8 inches of snow and I don't recall how deep the line is. I think it's about 3 feet but could be more....or less. I'm hoping it froze right where it goes into the ground but I doubt that's the case. Too steep an angle at that point.


Here is the weather pattern that I have become used to. Cold October/November. Big snow dump just before Thanksgiving. Then a warm spell of 4-5 days, might even thaw a little. Week before Christmas gets really cold and hangs on through mid/late January with continuous small snow storms. February is nice. 40-60 below at night 10 below to zero during the days. Sunny and bright....except at night.

Your results will vary.


Well, I can see you have a few options :..

1. Are you hooked up to the City Sewer or private Septic System ?
If it is a City sewer , I would call the DPW and tell them to start digging . Think "HEALTH & SAFETY" ! grin that usually is the only way to get the DPW to do anything this time of the year.

2. If you can get into the frozen in pipe area where it is under the house, assuming you have a Crawl Space with enough room to get around in, you might try wrapping the frozen pipe with electric pipe heater tape to warm up the pipe and free the clog.

3. Got any RV Antifreeze to pour down the drain ? That MIGHT work.

4. In the Spring or Summer, dig up that area , wrap the pipe with insulation and that electric heater tape and bury it 1 Foot below the Frost Line. That is really the only way to prevent frozen Sewer Pipes that are buried underground.

5. Another option would be to use Spray Foam insulation around the buried pipe. In the Summer, dig up that pipe and spray the foam insulation in the trench where the pipe tends to freeze up. Spray enough of that insulation in the trench so that the pipe is completely covered . I would say at least 12 inches of insulation would work well around the pipe.
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#1607882 - 11/21/09 06:32 PM Re: The Almighty Alaskan Thread #4 [Re: canvasback]
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Registered: 03/17/07
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City Sewer ?? Whats that ? Private septic.

The pipe is insulated and has a heat tape on it. It's too cold to do any good. Just a waste of electricity.

No room to pour anything down the drain.

Pipe in the ground is insulated and heat taped. Can't dig much deeper or you're into the water table.

The insulated pipe also has blue 2" styrofoam over it prior to burial.

This is the first time it's ever frozen.
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#1608271 - 11/21/09 09:31 PM Re: The Almighty Alaskan Thread #4 [Re: white17]
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Registered: 12/23/06
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K : Always pump prior to vacation. If frozen, get a _hit stick from Shorty and it will thaw in several hours, since it's just the top layer that's frozen. Don't ask how I know - ok I tell you. Arizona doctors who don't listen .

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#1608397 - 11/21/09 10:33 PM Re: The Almighty Alaskan Thread #4 [Re: Ol' Blister]
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Originally Posted By: Ol' Blister
we have a buried log crib.



Oh , my GOD!!!! shocked shocked shocked Please tell me your Septic Tank is made out of Concrete and not LOGS!! cry shocked shocked
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#1608414 - 11/21/09 10:48 PM Re: The Almighty Alaskan Thread #4 [Re: canvasback]
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Loc: McGrath, AK
9er; I doubt that the crib itself is frozen, just the pipe leading in. I'll bet you were happy with that guy.

CB:

At over $500 per yard for concrete no one has a concrete septic tank on the west side of the Alaska Range.
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#1608438 - 11/21/09 11:06 PM Re: The Almighty Alaskan Thread #4 [Re: white17]
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I was thinking of those Pre-cast Concrete Septic Tanks. I would look at it purely from the Health and Safety aspect, I.E. protecting the well water from contamination, that would be the way to go.

A 1,000 gallon one compartment tank would weigh in at around 8,700 lbs.

I know for a fact that there are grants for new Septic Systems. I am pretty sure that a grant would pay for the whole thing .
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#1608440 - 11/21/09 11:08 PM Re: The Almighty Alaskan Thread #4 [Re: canvasback]
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It would be another 8700 to get it here
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#1608445 - 11/21/09 11:15 PM Re: The Almighty Alaskan Thread #4 [Re: white17]
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And the Grant would probably cover the whole thing !! smile
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#1608457 - 11/21/09 11:23 PM Re: The Almighty Alaskan Thread #4 [Re: canvasback]
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I think if that was the case the city here would have done it long ago.
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#1608467 - 11/21/09 11:37 PM Re: The Almighty Alaskan Thread #4 [Re: white17]
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What they should do, is get a Grant Writer to seek out this funding for a project like that. I remember when the CDBG funding announcement was sent out. We were all asked what projects we thought would be worth submitting for possible grant money. There was 3 proposals. I submitted the idea for 2 Stand-by Natural Gas electric generators for the Town Water Wells. Of those three proposals that were submitted , mine was the only one that year to be approved. It was a project that came to total over $43,000.

It can be done, it just takes patience to work through all the paperwork that needs to be submitted.
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#1608475 - 11/21/09 11:48 PM Re: The Almighty Alaskan Thread #4 [Re: canvasback]
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People here who do have manufactured tanks all have two piece fiberglass ones. They run about 16k installed
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#1608476 - 11/21/09 11:50 PM Re: The Almighty Alaskan Thread #4 [Re: canvasback]
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You're a hoot!! lol

How about you find me a grant to get me a wind generator and all the bells and whistles that go with it to run my store and home here?
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#1608703 - 11/22/09 08:06 AM Re: The Almighty Alaskan Thread #4 [Re: Wolfwoman]
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Wolfwoman:


1. Are you located in a place that has a lot of wind ?

2. Near a Main Highway ?

3. Near any High Voltage Powerlines ??

If you are , you might be able to work out a deal with a Wind Energy Company to place a Wind Turbine on your property. Depending on how the lease agreement is written, you could get enough money in yearly lease payments to cover your yearly electric bill.

Now, as to a private Wind Turbine, there are grants available to place one of these Turbines on a person's property. New York has Grants for them, I don't see why Alaska would not have something similar available too.
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#1608755 - 11/22/09 08:44 AM Re: The Almighty Alaskan Thread #4 [Re: canvasback]
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White17:

Does the McGrath Public Works Department have a Pipe Steamer ? That would melt that frozen clog within 30 minutes.
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#1608857 - 11/22/09 10:08 AM Re: The Almighty Alaskan Thread #4 [Re: canvasback]
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No they don't but one of the miners in town might. I have borrowed a hot water jet pump that self feeds down the pipe. I just need some warmer temps before crawling under the house to get started.


Ya know those huge wind turbines that are being constructed all over the place now ? Don't those things require electricity to get started ? If so, how much does it take to start one relative to how much they produce? Might be a net loss in the long run.
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#1608870 - 11/22/09 10:22 AM Re: The Almighty Alaskan Thread #4 [Re: white17]
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No, they don't require electricity to work. They produce electricity when they are turning. Requires an average of 5 MPH constant wind to turn the Turbine blades. They have a shutoff when the wind is over 55 MPH . I don't know how they would assemble them up North. The concrete pad or foundation that they would sit on, runs around 40 feet in diameter and depending the size of the Tower and the soil conditions, the thickness of the concrete pad can run anywhere from 7 feet to 15 feet.

Note: the foundation thickness listed above would be for a Commercial Wind Turbine that would generate 1.5 to 2 Mega Watts
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#1608880 - 11/22/09 10:26 AM Re: The Almighty Alaskan Thread #4 [Re: canvasback]
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That's a lot of mud. Soils would be a huge problem in many places up here.
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#1609001 - 11/22/09 11:49 AM Re: The Almighty Alaskan Thread #4 [Re: white17]
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Sounds like you better make another T.P. furnace instead of flushing. That one you made last year at your main line cabin looked to be working well.
Of course you might need to extend the stack if your gonna use it inside. Then again, at those temps, you might not want to lose the BTU's.
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#1609035 - 11/22/09 12:08 PM Re: The Almighty Alaskan Thread #4 [Re: alaska viking]
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Registered: 12/24/06
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CB they did a study here a couple years ago and the wind blows a lot the end result was the wind turbines were not cost effective to put in. We are however seeing a few private individuals putting them in for their home two to be exact. The cash they had to put into them was somewhere in the 25-35K range. To much for me that's for sure
Now down on the AK peninsula they have one village that has put in a couple two or three of the things and it has helped not sure they are using them for all their electric needs or not


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