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#1581636 - 11/07/09 09:51 AM Using Pork as bait?
Basser59 Offline
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Registered: 01/03/09
Posts: 8
Loc: Cross Co. Arkansas
I will be killing one of our hogs soon and was wondering if the scraps would make good bait. If so for what types of animals? Last year was my first time trapping and want to Thank Everyone on here for all of the great information on trapping!

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#1581647 - 11/07/09 09:57 AM Re: Using Pork as bait? [Re: Basser59]
Jim Spencer Offline
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Registered: 08/19/07
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Loc: Arkansas
Excellent bait for a wide variety of predators - coon, cat, canine - especially if slightly tainted and then preserved with salt or sodioum benzoate, something like that. Beaver meat is probably better, though.

The only problem I've found with using bait here in the relatively warm country of Arkansas is that it also makes your sets very attractive to posums and skunks. I'd rather use lure than bait any day.
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#1581648 - 11/07/09 09:57 AM Re: Using Pork as bait? [Re: Basser59]
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Registered: 02/27/09
Posts: 463
Loc: Louisiana, North-Central
I use pork grinds when I trap fox and yotes. They work pretty well.
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#1581707 - 11/07/09 11:01 AM Re: Using Pork as bait? [Re: Teen_Fox_Trapper]
T_Frederick Offline
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Registered: 02/12/07
Posts: 523
Loc: Pa
Thanks for the post, just reminded me I need to call a butcher friend of mine to save me some cracklins for later in the season.
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#1581716 - 11/07/09 11:09 AM Re: Using Pork as bait? [Re: T_Frederick]
Asa Lenon Offline
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 4700
Loc: Gulliver, Michigan
Pork is not the best bait one can use. When I kept wild caught red fox and coyotes for urine collection none of them like pork very well. Some wouldn't touch it while other nibbled away at it reluctantly. The exception to that was the liver, I believe pork liver is on top of the list of favored foods by the canines. Every fox and coyote I had would smell pork liver coming and the moment it was thrown into the pen they would spring from thier hutches and devour it from mid-air. Meantime, pork meat might lay on the floor of the pens until it had to be forked out before it contaminated the urine collection. Asa

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#1581744 - 11/07/09 11:30 AM Re: Using Pork as bait? [Re: Asa Lenon]
Jim Spencer Offline
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Posts: 1101
Loc: Arkansas
Originally Posted By: Asa Lenon
Pork is not the best bait one can use. When I kept wild caught red fox and coyotes for urine collection none of them like pork very well. Some wouldn't touch it while other nibbled away at it reluctantly. The exception to that was the liver, I believe pork liver is on top of the list of favored foods by the canines. Every fox and coyote I had would smell pork liver coming and the moment it was thrown into the pen they would spring from thier hutches and devour it from mid-air. Meantime, pork meat might lay on the floor of the pens until it had to be forked out before it contaminated the urine collection. Asa


That's counter to my experiences on the trapline, but I have to qualify that by repeating what I said earlier: I'm not much of a fan of bait of any type except for coon buckets, and therefore I don't have a lot of experience upon which to base an informed and intelligent opinion. I defer to you on this one, Asa.

Most of my experience with using pork has been with either rancid or cooked bacon. It's always seemed to be fairly attractive to canines and to a lesser extent cats, but especially so to possums and skunks - which is why I mostly don't like to use bait. Lure's more effective, I think.
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#1581748 - 11/07/09 11:36 AM Re: Using Pork as bait? [Re: Jim Spencer]
DaveP Online   content
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Registered: 01/23/07
Posts: 920
Loc: MD
Asa,
Have you ever fooled with rabbit liver?
Our kids raise a couple hundred a year so I have a pretty steady supply. I have tried it before, and it seems to work well,but I actually use fresh, urine soaked rabbit dropping more often for canines. Also helps reduce possums/skunks as Jim mentioned.

I usually do these things trying to learn something new, or more often, just goofing around. Day in, day out it's 90% just lure an/or urine.

Also, funny Jim mentioned regional differences. I've tried rabbit liver a bunh of times for catfish (channels and blues) with very poor results, but a guy I know in Tennessee SWEARS it is the BEST bait.

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#1581752 - 11/07/09 11:39 AM Re: Using Pork as bait? [Re: Jim Spencer]
Drifter Offline

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Registered: 12/22/06
Posts: 3303
Loc: Stronghurst , IL
Have to wonder if it isn't a local deal. Here the pig burial pits atteract numbers of coyote. I have wondered at times as many are manged bad. Was it a draw because of easy meals for a manged yote needing more calories to keep warm or do they contract the mange mites from the hogs in the pit?

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#1581754 - 11/07/09 11:40 AM Re: Using Pork as bait? [Re: Asa Lenon]
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Posts: 463
Loc: Louisiana, North-Central
Originally Posted By: Asa Lenon
Pork is not the best bait one can use. When I kept wild caught red fox and coyotes for urine collection none of them like pork very well. Some wouldn't touch it while other nibbled away at it reluctantly.

I use bacon all the time to feed the foxes I have caught until I am able to sell to the live market. Right when I throw it in the cage they are so excited they swollow it whole.
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#1581782 - 11/07/09 12:14 PM Re: Using Pork as bait? [Re: Teen_Fox_Trapper]
Asa Lenon Offline
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 4700
Loc: Gulliver, Michigan
I have never tried rabbit liver specifically but the penned canines all gobbled up entire rabbits without a problem.
As for cooked pork rinds, bacon, ham, sausage, etc, I don't know anything about that or how effective it may be. I was just feeding the animals in the pens rather than testing different ideas on them and using trash animals caught along the trapline along with scraps or outdated meats from a grocery store to do so. Asa

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#1581789 - 11/07/09 12:20 PM Re: Using Pork as bait? [Re: Asa Lenon]
45/70 Online   content
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 3389
Loc: Georgia
My experiences with pork as liver are it's a waste of time. There are a couple of exceptions to this, first cracklins either alone or as a base for a bait solution. The second is bacon grease. I haven' tried pork liver. Except in one ADC case where a hog farm was being ravaged. Some of the pigs were dragged out of the house, and their body cavity ripped open. The livers were gone.
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#1581912 - 11/07/09 01:57 PM Re: Using Pork as bait? [Re: 45/70]
Basser59 Offline
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Registered: 01/03/09
Posts: 8
Loc: Cross Co. Arkansas
Thank you all, for your thoughts. Maybe the fox and yotes are not use to the smell of the pork and shy away from it. Maybe if I use it at first I can thin out the grinners then when it cools off some I can ketch the coons!

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#1581945 - 11/07/09 02:20 PM Re: Using Pork as bait? [Re: Basser59]
LT GREY Offline
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Registered: 04/09/07
Posts: 10600
Loc: Central Ohio
I have a top notch preator bait made from wild Black Russian Boar.

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#1581972 - 11/07/09 02:53 PM Re: Using Pork as bait? [Re: LT GREY]
Tsarevna Offline
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Registered: 09/23/07
Posts: 3361
Loc: Portland, OR
Originally Posted By: LT GREY
I have a top notch preator bait made from wild Black Russian Boar.


OMG, a bit like using caviar for bait! cry
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#1582008 - 11/07/09 03:22 PM Re: Using Pork as bait? [Re: Tsarevna]
Asa Lenon Offline
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Registered: 12/23/06
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Loc: Gulliver, Michigan
I think that when any meat is tainted or rotting down at a disposal site then it elicits a whole new response over fresh meat. My urine collection canines were only offered fresh meat scraps and meat that had fallen on the floor, etc that I got a grocery stores and I wouldn't allow meat to taint/rot in the pens if it wasn't eaten right away for fear of urine contamination. I expect that chunks of pork or wild boar as LT suggested that is tainted as bait then ingredients/solutions added we are likely talking a completely different thing than a chunk of fresh pork.

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#1582029 - 11/07/09 03:37 PM Re: Using Pork as bait? [Re: Asa Lenon]
wr otis Offline
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Registered: 06/30/08
Posts: 964
Loc: SW Pa
I would bet it has alot to do with whether you have wild hogs in the area or not. I would assume they know better than to eat certain things.

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#1582080 - 11/07/09 04:05 PM Re: Using Pork as bait? [Re: wr otis]
Asa Lenon Offline
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 4700
Loc: Gulliver, Michigan
Originally Posted By: wr otis
I would bet it has alot to do with whether you have wild hogs in the area or not. I would assume they know better than to eat certain things.


I think you may be right wr, I think it is always best to present the canines with something native to thier area. For example, I have heard great things over the years about horse meat bait but when I tried some horse based lures made by a Western professional trappper I wasn't impressed here in Upper Michigan where horses and dead horses are few and far apart. Another example is rattlesnake based lures which were the rave 25 or 30 years ago. I tried several of them and coyotes pretty much avoided the lure here where there is no rattlesnakes.
My Dad always believed and stated many times that the only exceptions to this rule was fish which he considered universal in attractiveness even if it was presented in a desert miles from water. Asa

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#1582113 - 11/07/09 04:23 PM Re: Using Pork as bait? [Re: Asa Lenon]
Jim Blakley Online   content
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 2522
Loc: se. mn... age..57
I try to keep Kosher....No pork......LOL....
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#1582367 - 11/07/09 06:26 PM Re: Using Pork as bait? [Re: Jim Blakley]
wr otis Offline
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Registered: 06/30/08
Posts: 964
Loc: SW Pa
Your pork liver comments have me interested in trying some this year. Lots of times on sheep kills they will flip them over and chew out the liver, if they know to do that they obviously have opinions on what they would like to eat and not eat.

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#1582492 - 11/07/09 07:21 PM Re: Using Pork as bait? [Re: wr otis]
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Registered: 11/26/08
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Originally Posted By: wr otis
Your pork liver comments have me interested in trying some this year. Lots of times on sheep kills they will flip them over and chew out the liver, if they know to do that they obviously have opinions on what they would like to eat and not eat.


it may be liver to them is like a high energy drink for us
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