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#1580288 - 11/06/09 02:29 PM Health Care Bill .... Repost .....
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I am reposting this with Pauls permission.

I am posting this as an information piece only. I neither want or expect comments.

The U.S. House of Representatives will be voting on the Healthcare Reform Bill tomorrow. It is NOT important which side you are on, but I would ask that you contact your Rep. by email, phone call or fax and state clearly to them your desires on how you want them to vote. If we don't participate by stating our wishes, we have no recourse. Remind them that "They work for you." and they will be up for election in 2010.

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#1580377 - 11/06/09 03:51 PM Re: Health Care Bill .... Repost ..... [Re: Actor]
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#1580562 - 11/06/09 05:51 PM Re: Health Care Bill .... Repost ..... [Re: Paula]
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#1580567 - 11/06/09 05:54 PM Re: Health Care Bill .... Repost ..... [Re: Actor]
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That vote has been postpone or moved as of today!!
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#1580576 - 11/06/09 05:58 PM Re: Health Care Bill .... Repost ..... [Re: GritGuy]
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Yeah, it could now happen early Sunday.
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#1580609 - 11/06/09 06:14 PM Re: Health Care Bill .... Repost ..... [Re: SNIPERBBB]
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Good ... will give everyone a chance to email or contact .... Garry-
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#1581053 - 11/06/09 09:01 PM Re: Health Care Bill .... Repost ..... [Re: Actor]
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#1581625 - 11/07/09 09:41 AM Re: Health Care Bill .... Repost ..... [Re: Actor]
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Kinda hard to make your feelings known if you have no idea what is going on.
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#1581633 - 11/07/09 09:49 AM Re: Health Care Bill .... Repost ..... [Re: BigBob]
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When I found out that Congress was about to vote on the government taking over control of 1/6th of the U.S. economy, I made it my business to FIND OUT what was going on!

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#1581730 - 11/07/09 11:18 AM Re: Health Care Bill .... Repost ..... [Re: BigBob]
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Originally Posted By: BigBob
Kinda hard to make your feelings known if you have no idea what is going on.


And THAT is what they are counting on, and why our country, and our children's future, is circling the drain.......

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#1581734 - 11/07/09 11:21 AM Re: Health Care Bill .... Repost ..... [Re: DaveP]
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704795604574519671055918380.html


By BETSY MCCAUGHEY
The health bill that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is bringing to a vote (H.R. 3962) is 1,990 pages. Here are some of the details you need to know.

What the government will require you to do:

• Sec. 202 (p. 91-92) of the bill requires you to enroll in a "qualified plan." If you get your insurance at work, your employer will have a "grace period" to switch you to a "qualified plan," meaning a plan designed by the Secretary of Health and Human Services. If you buy your own insurance, there's no grace period. You'll have to enroll in a qualified plan as soon as any term in your contract changes, such as the co-pay, deductible or benefit.

• Sec. 224 (p. 118) provides that 18 months after the bill becomes law, the Secretary of Health and Human Services will decide what a "qualified plan" covers and how much you'll be legally required to pay for it. That's like a banker telling you to sign the loan agreement now, then filling in the interest rate and repayment terms 18 months later.

Protestors wave signs in front of the Capitol on Thursday.
On Nov. 2, the Congressional Budget Office estimated what the plans will likely cost. An individual earning $44,000 before taxes who purchases his own insurance will have to pay a $5,300 premium and an estimated $2,000 in out-of-pocket expenses, for a total of $7,300 a year, which is 17% of his pre-tax income. A family earning $102,100 a year before taxes will have to pay a $15,000 premium plus an estimated $5,300 out-of-pocket, for a $20,300 total, or 20% of its pre-tax income. Individuals and families earning less than these amounts will be eligible for subsidies paid directly to their insurer.

• Sec. 303 (pp. 167-168) makes it clear that, although the "qualified plan" is not yet designed, it will be of the "one size fits all" variety. The bill claims to offer choice—basic, enhanced and premium levels—but the benefits are the same. Only the co-pays and deductibles differ. You will have to enroll in the same plan, whether the government is paying for it or you and your employer are footing the bill.

• Sec. 59b (pp. 297-299) says that when you file your taxes, you must include proof that you are in a qualified plan. If not, you will be fined thousands of dollars. Illegal immigrants are exempt from this requirement.

• Sec. 412 (p. 272) says that employers must provide a "qualified plan" for their employees and pay 72.5% of the cost, and a smaller share of family coverage, or incur an 8% payroll tax. Small businesses, with payrolls from $500,000 to $750,000, are fined less.

Eviscerating Medicare:

In addition to reducing future Medicare funding by an estimated $500 billion, the bill fundamentally changes how Medicare pays doctors and hospitals, permitting the government to dictate treatment decisions.

• Sec. 1302 (pp. 672-692) moves Medicare from a fee-for-service payment system, in which patients choose which doctors to see and doctors are paid for each service they provide, toward what's called a "medical home."

The medical home is this decade's version of HMO-restrictions on care. A primary-care provider manages access to costly specialists and diagnostic tests for a flat monthly fee. The bill specifies that patients may have to settle for a nurse practitioner rather than a physician as the primary-care provider. Medical homes begin with demonstration projects, but the HHS secretary is authorized to "disseminate this approach rapidly on a national basis."

A December 2008 Congressional Budget Office report noted that "medical homes" were likely to resemble the unpopular gatekeepers of 20 years ago if cost control was a priority.

• Sec. 1114 (pp. 391-393) replaces physicians with physician assistants in overseeing care for hospice patients.

• Secs. 1158-1160 (pp. 499-520) initiates programs to reduce payments for patient care to what it costs in the lowest cost regions of the country. This will reduce payments for care (and by implication the standard of care) for hospital patients in higher cost areas such as New York and Florida.

• Sec. 1161 (pp. 520-545) cuts payments to Medicare Advantage plans (used by 20% of seniors). Advantage plans have warned this will result in reductions in optional benefits such as vision and dental care.

• Sec. 1402 (p. 756) says that the results of comparative effectiveness research conducted by the government will be delivered to doctors electronically to guide their use of "medical items and services."

Questionable Priorities:

While the bill will slash Medicare funding, it will also direct billions of dollars to numerous inner-city social work and diversity programs with vague standards of accountability.

• Sec. 399V (p. 1422) provides for grants to community "entities" with no required qualifications except having "documented community activity and experience with community healthcare workers" to "educate, guide, and provide experiential learning opportunities" aimed at drug abuse, poor nutrition, smoking and obesity. "Each community health worker program receiving funds under the grant will provide services in the cultural context most appropriate for the individual served by the program."

These programs will "enhance the capacity of individuals to utilize health services and health related social services under Federal, State and local programs by assisting individuals in establishing eligibility . . . and in receiving services and other benefits" including transportation and translation services.

• Sec. 222 (p. 617) provides reimbursement for culturally and linguistically appropriate services. This program will train health-care workers to inform Medicare beneficiaries of their "right" to have an interpreter at all times and with no co-pays for language services.

• Secs. 2521 and 2533 (pp. 1379 and 1437) establishes racial and ethnic preferences in awarding grants for training nurses and creating secondary-school health science programs. For example, grants for nursing schools should "give preference to programs that provide for improving the diversity of new nurse graduates to reflect changes in the demographics of the patient population." And secondary-school grants should go to schools "graduating students from disadvantaged backgrounds including racial and ethnic minorities."

• Sec. 305 (p. 189) Provides for automatic Medicaid enrollment of newborns who do not otherwise have insurance.

For the text of the bill with page numbers, see www.defendyourhealthcare.us.

Ms. McCaughey is chairman of the Committee to Reduce Infection Deaths and a former Lt. Governor of New York state.

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#1581736 - 11/07/09 11:23 AM Re: Health Care Bill .... Repost ..... [Re: DaveP]
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Toll free switchboard, call and ask for YOUR Rep, and let them know how you feel.

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#1581760 - 11/07/09 11:47 AM Re: Health Care Bill .... Repost ..... [Re: DaveP]
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Registered: 03/17/07
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I'd like to hear where Congress gets the Constitutional authority to pass this legislation. Might call and ask.
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#1581816 - 11/07/09 12:50 PM Re: Health Care Bill .... Repost ..... [Re: white17]
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Originally Posted By: white17
I'd like to hear where Congress gets the Constitutional authority to pass this legislation. Might call and ask.


LOL, like that's ever stopped them before!

And if you are interested, there's a youtube video out there of someone asking Pelosi exactly that question. She laughed, then asked if there were any SERIOUS questions.

Pretty much tells me all we need to know about their respect for our Constitution.....

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#1581843 - 11/07/09 01:14 PM Re: Health Care Bill .... Repost ..... [Re: DaveP]
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Originally Posted By: DaveP
Originally Posted By: white17
I'd like to hear where Congress gets the Constitutional authority to pass this legislation. Might call and ask.


LOL, like that's ever stopped them before!

And if you are interested, there's a youtube video out there of someone asking Pelosi exactly that question. She laughed, then asked if there were any SERIOUS questions.

Pretty much tells me all we need to know about their respect for our Constitution.....



Finally, an EASY question to answer !!!! smile

Here is the answer....


A person asked the Board one time a few years ago how they, (the Board ), could vote on something without having the people having a say in it. The person who the question was directed to (not me!! ) answered the question this way....

"WE were elected to do the People's business. YOU voted US into office to serve the interests of the People. WE make our own judgement call as to what WE feel is in the best interests for all of YOU !! "

That is New Yorker talk for " YOU put us into office and now WE are going to do whatever WE want for the next 4 years and YOU can't do a thing about it !! "

I will be glad when I am out of this State !!!

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#1581873 - 11/07/09 01:28 PM Re: Health Care Bill .... Repost ..... [Re: canvasback]
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On a more serious note, I scanned through the 1,190 pages of that document, and I still cannot figure out what is and is not covered under this new plan.Is Dental covered? Don't know!

Now, take that Insurance Exchange program that they are yapping about. Will people that are poor , such as those that are on Medicaid, for instance, be able to buy into that program ? The way it is now, those old folks that are stuck on Medicaid and happen to be lucky enough to own their own home, will get a lein slapped onto their property and or their estate once they get past the age of 55. That's a heck of a thing to have happen to someone who worked all their life for a nice home and for any number of reasons as they got older wound up on the Medicaid program through no fault of their own, and have a lein tacked onto the property because of their age.

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#1582230 - 11/07/09 05:30 PM Re: Health Care Bill .... Repost ..... [Re: canvasback]
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What makes you think I wasn't serious about the constitutionality question ? Just because they were voted into office doesn't mean a thing.
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#1582252 - 11/07/09 05:40 PM Re: Health Care Bill .... Repost ..... [Re: white17]
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Originally Posted By: white17
What makes you think I wasn't serious about the constitutionality question ? Just because they were voted into office doesn't mean a thing.



You misunderstand me:
I'm SURE you are serious about the Constitution and the constitutionality of their actions, but the problem is THEY do not take our Constitutuion seriously.

And they keep building their "constituency" with handouts of OUR money,amnesty for illegals,etc, to build their majority.Toss in a few ACORNS, simmer well, and away we go.

I fear we are headed for the last option our Founders left us, IF enough of us care enough to turn off the TV, and get up off the couch.

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#1582278 - 11/07/09 05:51 PM Re: Health Care Bill .... Repost ..... [Re: white17]
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One thing I learned, to my dismay, is that once someone is in power , they are free to do almost whatever they want for those four years. The stories I could tell , I could write a best selling Book from what I have seen !!


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#1582322 - 11/07/09 06:13 PM Re: Health Care Bill .... Repost ..... [Re: canvasback]
James Offline

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Registered: 12/26/06
Posts: 3649
Loc: Anchorage, Alaska
"I am posting this as an information piece only. I neither want or expect comments."

Jim

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