I know alot of people are FOR, and alot are AGAINST selling to Groney, but I am trying to look at his website on when he will be visiting my area (Adrian, MI). If anyone has the direct site let me know thanks!

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Groeny gives you 100% clearance, at averages that compare favorably to the auction houses, AND you have the option to say no sale if you aren't satisfied. When you get to the site, pay attention to his current market reports.

mark i beg to differ,i have had many times people try to sell me fur that grony didnt want or offered so low so the 100% clearence is not correct...

Just checked his site...he has a twitter account for those who also twitter.

i know the guys that stops here in nebraska is the best buyer around hands down! very good servise

You could always call them.
815-938-2381
also they have always returned my e-mails promptly. (Within one Buisness day)
routes@gfwco.com

Later Bill

I just talked to a guy from Wis., yeah he had a $15 dollar top but he had a majority out and less then a five dollar average. If you have to give 40% or better away to get 100% clearance I would not call that good. Silver Back you try your guy tommorow, then PM me I will be stopping in Waco and Central City Starting on the 14th.

i already sold tonight trapperne

Differ all you want Chucky. All you know is what those guys told you. All I know is what I have experienced. As I have stated before, my averages have been comparable (and last year higher on coons)than what guys (with my type coon) got from the auction houses (either of them)with 100% clearances. No commissions, no fees, just out and out sale. If the Groenwald buyer rejected a piece of fur (and I have only seen that twice) then you probably should have as well. My particular buyer will reject them, with an explanation on the rare occassion that he has done so.
"I heard this" and "I heard that" doesn't cut it guys. That would include what I have told you, you don't have to believe me, I don't really care, you should give it a shot yourself though prior to carrying tales.
The main thing though, is you still have the option to say "no sale", not the forced holding of your fur until you are so darned thankful it sells for any price that you will accept anything, just to clear the books.

Trapperne, until you see those coon, you can't say whether this guy from WI gave those coon away, or it was a case of charity. Again, don't go entirely on what "some guy said". I am some guy too, and I said I have gotten a fair shake every time. I am a fur buyer, I know fur too, and like any other buyer who wants to stay in this business more than a season, I am not paying 10.00 on a 2.00 coon. Groenwald has been in this business for a lot of years, and he didn't stay here by cheating people or for being too generous.

Mark you know better then to compare 100% clearance of a fur buyers lot, I assume finished, and a guy with a pickup load of carcass coon, you should have 100% clearance or your not much of a fur buyer. you now as well as I do you can sort those carcass coon around into as many piles as you want then throw out a top price (purely marketing)But when it gets down to it you, me, groeny, and any other buyer worth a lick has an average in his head and no matter how many piles or how high the top your going to be close to that number.

Again trapperne, you misjudge me. I sold a lot of "green coon" to Groeny last year. I don't sell carcass coon at all, and the majority were put up. But I am a pretty popular buyer, and things got out of hand and I got backed up, so ended up selling several "green" ones.
I guess I am not "worth a lick" then because when a guy brings his coons into me, I give him a quote based on what I see, not based on what I want to have in them. In fact, I don't figure my averages (paid out) until after the guy is gone. That goes with knowing what your fur is worth.
Same way when I go to sell, I have in mind what I should come home with dollar wise.
Carcass coon? A man (or woman, let's not forget them) are extremely lucky to get 100% clearance from ANYONE unless 100% of the coon are of any value to the buyer.
When it becomes to "labor intensive", it has no value to a buyer.
You can turn that around of course (as a trapper) by taking the time to at least skin those coon, and even then (as demonstrated by Highview in another thread) there will be some of no value.
By the way, my "fur buyers lot" includes my own trapped fur. I am a trapper who buys fur, not a buyer who happens to set a few traps.

Well In my experince With the auction house and Groney. Groney has allways come up on the short end. And Iv'e been In this game a long time.
looks like he's still playing the old skin game. a few at extreamly high prices and then he hits the skids. But all anyone can remember Is the high end.
Stop and talk to guys leaving the skin wagon and they have no idea what there average was but will be all smiles about the High end stuff. I just grin and walk away shaking my head.
But he Is out there buying.

I am just saying Mark that you should clarify that when you state that you get 100% clearance, as a buyer you have already weeded out the no value stuff, thats not going to happen for a trapper. I am also a trapper who buys fur and I know enough that, atleast in my area, that there is not enough difference in an average run of carcass coon to sort them into 6 or 7 piles. I also know enough that when a buyer throws out a top price like that, they are fishing, and groeney got just what he wanted, silver back probably has been calling, posting, twittering, sending smoke signals, pigeon, to all his friends about the $15 dollar coon. Sorry, usually not the type of guy to keep stirring the pot, opening the shop tommorow and getting a little antsy to get the season going, got to do something to kill the night. lol

Ah trapperne, you are right, as a buyer I weed out the no value everything. That is what we do. Why waste time on anything of no value, except for one thing. I will often pay at least something to a school boy or beginner, and then show them what is wrong and WHY it isn't worth any more than what I offered. Often, those LOW value critters get thrown out, the NO value stuff regardless of who brings it goes back home with those who brought it, but I see what you are saying.
I won't be opening my shop for a couple of weeks yet, but I am already taking a few coons in as our hunting season opened on the first.
As to carcass coon, I rarely ever get more than a few at a time, more often than not, I couldn't "6 or 7 pile them" if I wanted to. There aren't enough to make that many piles, but like you,I don't see enough difference in carcass coon to do that.. Size matters for the most part, but that is also why I just won't pay much on them.
By the way, when I sell to Groeny, it is at the truck, and there are a number, larger number of trappers right there selling at the same time.
He knows I am a buyers, so he knows he is buying fur that has already been sorted, put up properly and so on..........

once again its the good groney, bad groney post time. Come January it will be the good NAFA, bad NAFA Post time. Gronewolds has always given me a fair price for my fur. Beav, I also have been in this game a long time and some years I have beat NAFA and sometimes I haven't but that is with green fur not finished. Yes my green fur sold to gronewolds has beat the NAFA finished prices a few times the past 30 years just as it did last year. I couldn't care less about the top price. It is the averages that I look at and I have been satisfied the majority of the time with those averages. If you are honest and fair with gronewolds you will get an honest and fair price. If you bring junk ( and I have seen many people bring fur to the truck that makes sick to think they call themselves trappers when they have so little respect for thier fur) then you will get junk prices. If you don't like the price then don't sell. That sure didn't happen at Nafa this past spring.

Beav, there is no way to get a dyed in the wool auction house type guy like yourself to see that there is no difference between low end at the "skin truck" and sitting in the warehouse in Canada for a couple of years. 100% clearances happen in both cases, but the difference is, the average at Groeny's is real, and RIGHT NOW, and the averages in Canada, are high up front, low in the end, and average out to much lower than what the trapper thinks he really got.
I think we have discussed this before. I read some of the BS from some of you guys on your false averages, and like you, all I can do is grin, walk away and shake my head. I have a lot of years in this "game" too, and I know well enough to know when I am being played by false numbers. This is why I don't use the big houses, but sell to the guy who buys at those same houses.
It helps that I know what I have.

Well said!