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#1577362 - 11/04/09 09:20 PM What would you charge...
Phil Nichols Offline
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Registered: 10/03/07
Posts: 148
Loc: SE Pennsylvania
...to remove 4500 square feet of bat contaminated roll insulation from an attic? Assume there is nothing out of the ordinary.
Access and egress OK, no issues.

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#1577426 - 11/04/09 09:54 PM Re: What would you charge... [Re: Phil Nichols]
Cragar Offline
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Registered: 02/19/07
Posts: 479
Loc: New York border
$1 per square foot.

Includes HEPA vacuuming , disinfecting and removal ( disposal ) of contaminated material.


4500SQ is a BIG attic. If they can afford a house that big they can afford $1 per foot.

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#1577526 - 11/04/09 10:43 PM Re: What would you charge... [Re: Cragar]
Vinke Offline
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Registered: 12/22/06
Posts: 4147
Loc: Pacific Northwest WA
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disinfecting


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#1577680 - 11/05/09 02:13 AM Re: What would you charge... [Re: Vinke]
nighthunter2 Offline
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Registered: 12/04/08
Posts: 12
Loc: Rifle colorado
if it were me in the area i live in I would take in to consideration if I did the bat job. if not I would charge 65 dollers an hour an tear out all the insulation an replace, then I would dis-infect with just water an bleach. Remember if they had the skill an the know how they would not call you. if it only takes a couple hours to tear out the old insulation then do a cleanup, disinfect an put in new insulation then gaurenteed you have gained a client for life an all there friends look long term not right now. even though times are tough you do not want to screw your clients you will get a bad name for yourself.
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#1577844 - 11/05/09 06:51 AM Re: What would you charge... [Re: nighthunter2]
Nick Pallo Online   content
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Registered: 12/26/06
Posts: 318
Loc: Finger Lakes Region, NY
Originally Posted By: nighthunter2
even though times are tough you do not want to screw your clients

I would suggest not screwing yourself!!! Times may be hard but why should he take a blow for that?
$1/sqft is still too low IMO...

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#1577848 - 11/05/09 06:52 AM Re: What would you charge... [Re: Nick Pallo]
Nick Pallo Online   content
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Registered: 12/26/06
Posts: 318
Loc: Finger Lakes Region, NY
Besides if worded right, homeowners insurance may pick the tab up anyhow.

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#1577884 - 11/05/09 07:13 AM Re: What would you charge... [Re: Nick Pallo]
Vinke Offline
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Loc: Pacific Northwest WA
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#1577900 - 11/05/09 07:29 AM Re: What would you charge... [Re: Vinke]
badger Offline
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Registered: 12/28/06
Posts: 21
Loc: IA
4500 sounds about right, but I have the home owner supply the dumpster and disposal charge.

$65/hour is way way too low.

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#1577979 - 11/05/09 08:37 AM Re: What would you charge... [Re: nighthunter2]
Ron Scheller Offline
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Registered: 01/19/07
Posts: 1048
Loc: Mt. Olive, IL
Originally Posted By: nighthunter2
I would dis-infect with just water an bleach.


NEVER....never, ever use bleach on bat guano! Extremely dangerous. I would suggest getting some training or doing extensive research on this subject. The $65 per hour charge is way to cheap for this type of specialized work. The process is almost identical to asbestos removal, and should be priced accordingly. Check with your agent regarding liability insurance... many policies exclude covering anyone who becomes ill due to airborne particles. Attic remediation work subjects the operator to some serious liability issues, and is not a simple process.
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#1578287 - 11/05/09 12:32 PM Re: What would you charge... [Re: Nick Pallo]
Cragar Offline
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Registered: 02/19/07
Posts: 479
Loc: New York border
Originally Posted By: NWS
$1/sqft is still too low IMO...


Maybe. For a smaller home with an attic under 1200sq , I would charge more. You can work a little bit with a bigger structure making your profit on volume. Much easier doing a 1 big attic VS 2-3 smaller attics.

However , I also threw out the $1 per square foot figure just as a number. A better number would be some odd number like $1.12 or $1.18 a square foot.

Using a very rounded number appears to the customer as a number you just pulled out of the sky and seems 'padded ' or greedy. A friend of mine works at a Ford dealer. They used to charge $86 an hour for labor. One day I noticed the sign had been changed to read $87.46 per hour. I asked him about it. It had appeared that the dealership had done an extensive labor costs study and needed to raise it rates by X per cent. It was a ploy. They used the very odd number to make people think that this was very carefully calculated labor rate that was competitive to the penny.

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#1578303 - 11/05/09 12:46 PM Re: What would you charge... [Re: Cragar]
RICHP Offline
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Registered: 07/11/08
Posts: 72
Loc: Cortland, NY
My main livelyhood is Insulation Contractor, with a wildlife control on the side.
$65 an hour is WAY TOO LOW.
This type of work is extremely dirty, hot and itchy. Its ALOT of work!
You can rent a industrial vaccuum and the bags are large, most landfills will take fiberglass, make sure your vehicle is big enough to haul.
I charge 99cents/foot just insulation removal, feces involved it goes to $1.49/sqft.
If the homeowner balks just explain the hazards of breathing in feces microbes.
DO NOT USE BLEACH, it will react with the ammonia and could kill you if breathed in. Remove insulation, vaccuum then disinfect with a deodorizor/fogger.
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#1578790 - 11/05/09 05:46 PM Re: What would you charge... [Re: RICHP]
Bob Jameson Offline

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Registered: 12/25/06
Posts: 2187
Loc: SW Pa
Our starting price per hour is $75.00 hr on clean outs. Many have gone to $125 hr per man (3-4 men) that have difficult access,alot of plank flooring set up, set up for air respiration systems,equipment/light installs etc.Not to mention the rental of an evac truck and landfill fees.Each job is different by bid.
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#1579117 - 11/05/09 07:33 PM Re: What would you charge... [Re: Bob Jameson]
brianroberts Offline
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 978
Loc: Central IL
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DO NOT USE BLEACH, it will react with the ammonia and could kill you if breathed in
Listen to the man, he's 100% correct,proper training is the key,that costs money.
Hourly is not the way to go on most jobs,figure how long it will take your work force to do the job,what your cost for disposal will be,what the risk is for your employees,what the cost is for PPE,or what it costs to reduce the risk of exposure to yourself and your employees.
The hazards involved with this type of work should not be overlooked or under charged!....B....
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#1579216 - 11/05/09 08:16 PM Re: What would you charge... [Re: brianroberts]
Ron Scheller Offline
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Registered: 01/19/07
Posts: 1048
Loc: Mt. Olive, IL
Originally Posted By: brianroberts
Hourly is not the way to go on most jobs, figure how long it will take your work force to do the job, what your cost for disposal will be, what the risk is for your employees, what the cost is for PPE, or what it costs to reduce the risk of exposure to yourself and your employees.
The hazards involved with this type of work should not be overlooked or under charged!....B....


I agree.... price by the JOB. I always build walkways throughout the larger attics, and the cost of materials and labor to install are figured in. On several large jobs, the walkway construction took an entire day, 10 hours or more to install. This is just in preparation for the clean-out. Safety is top priority. The walkways are left in place, which is greatly appreciated by the maintenance people or local electricians or handymen that perform work on the structure. The board members always see the plus side to having the walkways built. Cost is higher, but value and long-term benefits are worth it. At one large church, I had to completely rebuild/install a new floor in the belltower. That was a full day right there.

Roll-off dumpsters are expensive. Prepping the structure to prevent dust/particles from entering the main portion of the structure is time consuming, and may require extensive plastic sheeting installation. Building a "clean room" is often necessary, allowing a buffer room to change clothes when entering or leaving the work area. Every job has particular challenges, and getting an "easy one" doesn't happen very often. That's why the mess is there.... no one else wanted to do it.
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#1580634 - 11/06/09 06:24 PM Re: What would you charge... [Re: Ron Scheller]
LT GREY Offline
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Registered: 04/09/07
Posts: 14521
Loc: Central Ohio
$6,000 firm.

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#1580641 - 11/06/09 06:26 PM Re: What would you charge... [Re: LT GREY]
Vinke Offline
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Registered: 12/22/06
Posts: 4147
Loc: Pacific Northwest WA
Better add 1 More thousand LT.....JUST in case you Hurt yourself...LOL..... ha! smile
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