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You didn't learn enough from this thread yet Denny? LOL! Great student you are Denny! Asa

He does ask some pretty good questions, I'll give 'im that!

Denny woud have been my best student in the past, he has a lot of determination to learn and get it right. Asa

Well guys for those comments I am very humbled but honored. Sheesh and Thanks!

I'm suprised that there weren't more trappers that showed many pictures of sets.

I think not having two traps is the problem. Everytime I set with 2 it works. And 1, sometimes misses..........

How do you set up your 2 traps? One or two dirtholes? Different lure?

How do you make it work?

Personally, I would rather have two sets nearby to one another than to waste two traps at one set. If one is having excessive problems with near misses they need to hone thier guiding techniques rather than add additional traps per set. I do sometimes place two traps at scent post sets in the deep snow, one placed on the anticipated approach to the post and the other in the anticipated exit from the post. This is because being more time consuming to trap in snow I have extra traps to spare when trapping deep snow and also because guiding has to be very subtle at scent post sets. In dirt trapping one can choose backings that decide the animal's approach, use sand ridges, sticks, rocks, dirt clods, turds, etc as guides or use modest step downs which are probably the most precise form of guiding. Asa

As far as using 2 traps per set I feel it's the exception to the rule. For me its reserved more for the educated animal that is causing problems and has had a bad trap experience. I would rather make another set with the trap and connect with a double or even a triple. Proper guiding is critical like Asa said.

Because people make sets for fox.... who dig and stomp all over a set.

Interesting FireFly.

I've heard it said that before trying on coyotes, one should have at least a little success on fox.

Although fur prices in general are poor, most yotes are virtually worthless (depending on your location, in NC their as good as nothing) whereas fox are almost worth chasing. By having yotes inadvertently work a fox set and not get caught, even if the trap doesn't fire, does this put them off a little? Would adding one or two yote-specific sets in an area with other fox sets make a difference, regardless if you were targeting the yote or not?

For the ADC and full-time yote catchers, its another story, but from a fur value point of view, the fox have it hands down.

Fire Fly Guy, yes, coyotes are NOT big foxes and the sooner trappers learn this, they better they will become at trapping coyotes.

How many trappers set there trap to catch an animal that is just going to come up and investigate the set.... not dig out the lure or bait? I've read that the fast majority of coyotes will simply investigate and mark a set.... and with the use of trail camaras... I'm finding out that's true. I do not live in a high population of coyotes... they seem very satisfied to sniff and go. So many variables, so different are the area's.

Yep, probably a great many coyotes are missed because of that little known fact. The trap "in front" of the hole is not nessasarly the best place to set a trap for a coyote, although thousands are caught just that way. There are some that will work it differently, as Clint Locklear's video shows in "Teachers of the night: coyotes"

As you are finding out from trail cameras, many coyotes just step up close enough to take a peek into the hole or get a good whiff of the lure and simply move on. Although some lures are more like likely to get a working reaction or commitmemt than others, believe me there is no super lure that will make all of them work the set farther. It is just the nature of coyotes, perhaps when they have a set agenda in thier mind they don't take the time to fully investigate. They may mark the spot and come back later but one will miss them on that first visit. I have tested at least 40 of probably the country's best lure formulas, many provided for testing by some of America's most proficient trappers and none will get a 100% response. That is why I place coyote and bobcat trap pans back 9" to 10" from the hole, offset right 1 1/2" to 2" right and 5" to 6" back and offset 1" for fox. With the right form of guiding one will catch 90% of the stepper-uppers when they take thier peek or whiff. One guiding technique that helped me nab a larger percentage of them is to dig up a small pile if dirt right in front of the hole so that it requires one more step forward to for them to see over the dirt pile. Asa