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Re: Canies and Human Scent Experiment
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06/28/09 06:08 PM
06/28/09 06:08 PM
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HobbieTrapper
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I just figured if "skin cells" will cause them to pause..........urine would have a more dramatic effect on them.
I'm learning too much, I'd hate to lose my "hobbie" status. LOL!
-Goofy-
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Re: Canies and Human Scent Experiment
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06/28/09 06:10 PM
06/28/09 06:10 PM
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Chester County, PA
Maine man
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Why would your urine scare them?
Its not like a fox has the mental capacity to understand whatever peed right there has a plot to trap my foot in a few months, and kill me and skin me. lol Nick...Shush...Fox are very smart animals...  They just have a soft spot for Phil...
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Re: Canies and Human Scent Experiment
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06/28/09 07:39 PM
06/28/09 07:39 PM
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Gulliver, Michigan
Asa Lenon
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Why would your urine scare them?
Its not like a fox has the mental capacity to understand whatever peed right there has a plot to trap my foot in a few months, and kill me and skin me. lol To answer a question with a question Nick, why does just about every animal species run like H when they get a whiff or sight of a human??? For example, last Winter I saw sitting all together by a hole in the ice an otter, trumpeter swan and a Canadian goose. One would think the fowl would be fearful of that otter but the only thing they were concerned about was my wife pointing her camera at them, the otter ducked in the hole and the goose and swan flew as fast as they could to get out of there. Asa
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Re: Canies and Human Scent Experiment
[Re: Asa Lenon]
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06/28/09 07:58 PM
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south of little rock, ar
Haus
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My wife has that affect on me. If I get a head start I can usually outrun her, but sometimes she catches me, lol.
A bobcat in your trap at 5:00am is better than a stout cup of coffee anyday.
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Re: Canies and Human Scent Experiment
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06/29/09 01:01 AM
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possum5676
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whatever them peelers are i want a quart made into lure at the very same taint as the fox encountered well boosted with the usual musks and glands and well freeze proofed by christmass please, you can keep the urine though. Just kidding, good experiment.
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Re: Canies and Human Scent Experiment
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06/29/09 05:42 AM
06/29/09 05:42 AM
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whatever them peelers are i want a quart made into lure at the very same taint as the fox encountered well boosted with the usual musks and glands and well freeze proofed by christmass please, you can keep the urine though. Just kidding, good experiment. Been there and done that lure years ago. The skunk and possum catch will amaze you. The other animal catch leaves a lot to be desired. Female crabs use a pheromone to attract the males when they are about to shed and be available to mate. I thought they might be useful as a lure ingredient but boy was I wrong.
Never argue with a fool - they will drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
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Re: Canies and Human Scent Experiment
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06/29/09 06:30 AM
06/29/09 06:30 AM
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havelock, NC
Rye
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I think it was a good test of critter tolerance vs. desire for the food. thanks for putting it up Hobbie.
I'm by no means the "Cleanest" of trappers. However, I'm doing decent for the small line I run. Most of my misses or unworked sets are due to my own mistakes in location or position.
Keep the tests rolling Hobbie. We all stand to learn something.
"Don't go around saying the world owes you a living; the world owes you nothing; it was here first. "
--Mark Twain.
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Re: Canies and Human Scent Experiment
[Re: Northwind]
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06/29/09 09:39 AM
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Gulliver, Michigan
Asa Lenon
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I think allot of it is area dependent and population density is a big factor. I have a trail behind the house that leads to the snowmobile trail. There are always a few coyotes that pass through every few weeks all year long. I had some weasel boxes back there last winter that I would check daily. I would check them before noon everyday. One day I noticed coyote tracks coming from the west side of the trail. It was at a walk until it hit my snowshoe trail (I back tracked it before it hit my trail and it was just walking through the hardwoods) and you could clearly see the front feet sprawled out in my snowshoe tracks and it turned and ran for a good 75 yards before slowing to a trot. This isn’t the first time I’ve seen this behavior up here. Even though I’m new to trapping, I’m not new to animal behavior and I have hunted coyotes and fox out west and out east. So my .02 is to do what works for you in your area but keep and open mind to it.
My .02
Well said Northwind! For being relatively new to trapping you have done real well with canines because you are a thorough guy who pays attention to details and pay attention what the animals are telling you. That particular coyote told you he is not fond of human presence! Some say a coyote knows when you are there and when you are not so human scent makes no difference! In your experience you were not there but he wasn't sure so he run for 75 yards! I have seen this same thing more times than I can recall. Thanks for your input Northwind! Asa PS- Coyotes in my country are 10 times more likely to run from human tracks and odors than fox.
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Re: Canies and Human Scent Experiment
[Re: Asa Lenon]
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06/29/09 09:53 AM
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you guys are getting into a fight or flight discussion now.
when a critter is working your set it isn't in either of those modes....
the reason animals run from you is mainly because they haven't fully identified you.... all critters have a bubble of safety
take me to where the blacktop ends.. then go further with me
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Re: Canies and Human Scent Experiment
[Re: white17]
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06/29/09 10:24 AM
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Blackdog
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IMO This little experiment holds no weight. It should by no strech of the imagination be held as have having a single drop credibility.
Just ask your mommy...
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Re: Canies and Human Scent Experiment
[Re: white17]
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06/29/09 11:56 AM
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HobbieTrapper
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Well I hope nobody comes away from this thinking "just set steel in the ground anyway you feel".
I can't ID which foxes in the video are which, so I'm guessing these guys are young and dumb. Mom may have been out on a "real hunt" and these guys were just bored and happened upon a meal without knowledge of what could have happened to them.
..........but it was fun!
I will try a few other things and post the results. No need to argue or debate just some things to think about.
Last edited by HobbieTrapper; 06/29/09 11:57 AM.
-Goofy-
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Re: Canies and Human Scent Experiment
[Re: HobbieTrapper]
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06/29/09 12:26 PM
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Gulliver, Michigan
Asa Lenon
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Hobbie Trapper wrote...Well I hope nobody comes away from this thinking "just set steel in the ground anyway you feel".
I'm glad you added that Hobbie, well said, thanks!
To use JFK's statement as an analogy "ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country" I have always said to my past students "ask not what you can eliminate and get away with and still catch some animals but ask one's self what I can add to my procedure to be a more proficient and efficient trapper". The thing that separates the wide descrepancy in total harvest of trappers in the same area from zero harvest to being a legend in one's area is all in paying attention to all details both large and small. There is no big well kept secret of the pros to speak of, besides proper location its almost all in many small details adding up a maximum harvest one by one by one. Asa
Last edited by Asa Lenon; 06/29/09 12:26 PM.
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Re: Canies and Human Scent Experiment
[Re: Asa Lenon]
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06/29/09 01:30 PM
06/29/09 01:30 PM
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Eastern Shore of Maryland
HobbieTrapper
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Next experiment is.............
to see if they have associated my urine with a possible meal.
I will be spreading human urine in a "clean" place and video to capture their reaction.
FYI..........I will be conducting experiment #1 again but on a piece of land that has very little human traffic (during rifle deer season only).
Stay tuned for those results as well.
Last edited by HobbieTrapper; 06/29/09 01:31 PM.
-Goofy-
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