I dont see the nead for swivels on long snares,Snares on extension cables,or snares set with the use of entanglement.

When wolf and wolverine are a possibility maybe????

I dont know, but I would feel better if I had a swiveled snare when a wolf was giving it the 5 minute test.........

I'm gonna twist that around a lil bit and ask "when do you need a swivel on a snare?"

when you get in the habit of attaching your trap tag to the "swivel"

when you prefer attaching your snare to your extension cable via a rigid "swivel" to a loop instead of a loop to loop

lol ... from that, you can see that although I incorporate a "swivel" into all of my snares ... my expectations of it actually being a "swivel" are very very low

to truely have any potential for "swiveling" you would need it to be as close as possible to the loop ... even then "swiveling" can be minimum but has a greater chance to function

Are you guys talking about the wire snare swivels or the trap type swivels ? the first snares I set last season were some I bought from another tman member in the shed. 7x7 3/32 48" I had snared a little years ago I tried to read all I could but until I listened to Newt and Rally on trapperman live and not too long after that I watched a video things started making sense . But the wire type swivels were getting tangled with the needle grass and bulrushes. Coon were the worst but a coupla fox chewed unwound the cable until I started anchoring the snare up high instead of on the ground.Seems like the swivels almost work when mounted up high.

I haven't really read this topic but, the only animal I personally have ever needed a swiveled snare was with beaver, set on dry land with no drowner.

I use a 1/16 1x19 40" long cable and never use a swivel and never have a problem.

Never used a swivel on a snare before. But then again, I guess I am a bit of a dinosaur in the way I build my snares compared to the fancy one's they are building these days. I intend to modernize a bit this year and see if I notice any difference.

Because the law in Illinois says so.

hey Glen do you use extension cables? when I bought my snares they already had the wire type swivels on them

I do not swivel any of my snares I set in heavy brush and want things tangeling fast & dead fast so they freeze. This includes my wolf snares.

First and for most,... I don't know much.... BUT!...
I've been experimenting with those salt water barrel swivels #1500 breaking strength, I believe,with some good results. Also, good, bad or indifferent, I've been making snares that I want to try these on no longer than 22inches. As I've read on here and from personal experience if you want any type of swiveling action from the "swivel" it has to be as close to the lock as you can get it! The big barrel swivles don't tangle with brush or dirt and seem to work in these crazy Ohio winters. Obviously, with snare this short, you'll need an extension witch led me to try these in the first place. By using short snares and my extension I don't use as much cable from year to year.
Mr. Newt, I know you mentioned that you don't see a need for swivles on snares with extensions or long snares and I think your right. Seems to be what your personal preference is..??

Newt, I use regular box swivels and j hooks from your snares to the extension. Makes changing them out lots easier when you make a catch. Only reason I do it.

I asked this -just to get some input from other snareman.
Heres my answer -
1-Swivels are useless on Long snares or snare atached to a extension cable.The snare tangles before the swivel.So the swive dont do no good.
2-Where I do nead swiveling-Live market snareing,beaver,otter and mink snares.I make short snares with the first swivel as close to the opened loop as I can get it.
3- I put swivels on ALL my snares-Because STATE LAWS tell me that I nead them.AND they are a good place to put a trap tag(more state laws)

IMO... political all the way, but I'm not a snareman.

I agree if you're talking end swivels. I use them all the time on live catch snares for coon and fox but on snares set in entanglement they are rendered inoperable quickly. An arguement could be made for in-line swivels if you got uncooperative critter that just doesn't tangle right or gets bodysnared vs. neck snared.

On the live catch snares the swivels keep the cable straighter, this means the animals (coons mostly) keep the chewing out on the cable and not have the cable wound up tight against their skin. When they wrap up tight, then chew... major fur damage.

Like Newt always tells me though, not everyone is snaring in Iowa... or New Jersey for that matter....

~ADC~

Man, some great questions/answers!

('Possum skinner...good one!...also ADC ! Hope I get to meet you both one day in person.)

As for me, I will not steal Newt's post..I have too much respect for him....he does bring up a very valid point!

So how you hooked everything together in you coon snaring video is the best way to do it ?

I did,nt use extension cables this past season , I did,nt realize how bad the location got tore up by doing it that way ?

What I show in my videos IS HOW I snare.

There IS a reason I do what I do.

I have learned a great deal from Newt, even though I had snared about 25 years before I ever heard of him.
He is what I would call a true snareman...not just a trapper who sets a few dozen snares.

While I may disagree with everything he says....I have the utmost respect for Newt as well as the other true snaremen on this site!

I wish to make that CRYSTAL CLEAR!

His methods are cutting edge. I don't always have to agree with everything he says.
It works for him.
That is the bottomline!

I receive PM's from trappers from as far away as Alaska, New Zealand, Australia, UK and Canada, as well as throughout the US.
Many say I have helped them through my post.
I have as well, learned through many of them and their post.

That's the only reason I'm here.

We are, after all, an extended family of sorts.

LT GREY

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'cause you're stubborn and set in your ways ... the proverbial stick in the mud ... lol lmao

uh huh, I respect ol Newt too! but just as he would and does to me ... I like to razz him and kick him in the knee every now and then ... keeps him on his toes