Drowner - Drowning rod ?
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There has been a lot of talk about using chains and rods for drowners lately. I understand the use of chains, as they are basically the same as everything else: stake at top and put weight or stake on the other end in deep water.
What I don't understand is how to use drowning rods correctly.
Here's what I know: the rod is staked at the top, and an appropriate lock is attached to the trap. There also needs to be something at the other end of the rod to keep the lock from sliding off of the rod.
What I don't understand: what keeps the animal from pivoting the rod around the stake at the top and making it back to dry land?
Josh
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Re: Drowning rod ?
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I understand putting 2 stakes at the top, but I don't understand sticking the deep end in the mud. Do you need to bend it 90 degrees so it will go into the bottom? If it is just a straight rod, and the bottom is sloping downward (as it will if the water is getting deeper), there is nothing to stick the other end into. This rough sketch kinda shows what I mean: Josh
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No, victoria, I haven't seen that. That's why I'm asking. Using 2 stakes is the only way that makes any sense to me. I guess if the slope was gradual I could see angling the rod to get the deep end to stick in the mud, but I can't see that working in any of the areas I trap. I guess I'd better stick to cable and chain and continue to mess around with filling bags for weight.
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Excellent diagram KYBOY !
I use the same system. In the event the structure is not friendly for the set up as pictured I would use the same lock and a weighted chain drowner.
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Thanks! I also use the chain where I cant use the rod.
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So basically, you make the rods really long so they reach to where the bottom flattens out.
Thanks for taking the time to draw that sketch KYBOY, that helps a lot. I guess the reason I'm having such a hard time with this system is that I don't have any areas (at least that I can think of) that fit the situation. I usually have to deal with gradual slopes that would require a very, very long rod to reach a flat bottom. I was hoping to eliminate the need for drowning weight by using this system, but it looks like I will have to just try a few and see.
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I hear you Daniel. My drowners are never perpendicular either, they're always angled downstream. Thanks for the replies.
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might I add the price of these rods is also on the rise!
*~Cody~*
24 Beaver 1 Otter 369 Muskrats 3 Red Fox 4 Fisher 1 Weasel
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Here is a set up that I use. I build/make all of my own rods and cables. This works really good for me because I deal with steep banks that get deep really quick! It's safe to say this will not work for everyone in every sutuation. Keep in mind my drowner rods are only 6-8 feet long. I can get away with this because of the immediate deep water. What I do is use cement blocks (avg. 40+lbs) as drowner weights. Pass the cable loop through the block and atach to the drowner rod or cable. Then I slide the block down the steep bank into the water securing the top of the rod/cable with a single 24" "T" stake. Knock on wood, I've never had this fail on me! I also use this same setup in certain other situations. It's pretty easy to sum up whether or not it's appropriate Here's one end and a heavy duty homemade lock.
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I can't see why rods are used in the first place. They are to heavy and would be very hard to carry to remote sets. Try the rod system and you will see why it is used. It is very seldom I have a Beaver waiting on the bank and can drown Beaver only several feet off of busy County roads. As for the rods being heavy they are considerably lighter then a MN Beaver. In some remote situations I leave the rod in the woods and use it every spring.
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I don't draw quite as well as KYBOY but I've seen rods made this way, with a nut welded to the side a ways down the rod so you poke the top end into the bank then put the stake in so the rod won't turn sideways or pull out. I've not tried them but wonered who all has... ~ADC~
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I have also seen them that way ADC. With the way my creeks are I dont need them but I can see where they would be very handy. I trap close to my truck/boat/4-wheeler so the rods arnt a problem to transport. Victoria I also use the long chain method. It depends on how the creek is. If the creek isnt deep enough to drown I dont hesitate to long chain. It works well for me.
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Ok, KYBOY & ADC you fellas are a wealth of knowledge. How about taking a minute to draw up a long chain diagram since I have absolutely know idea how these work, but I do have many shallow river beaver situations that up to this point have required about 20' of wire for a drowner. Thanks.
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That's an excellent idea ADC. I think that would work very well for me.
Victoria and KYBOY: when you say long chain set up, you're not trying to drown them right; just give them a lot of chain to reduce fighting?
I sure appreciate all the replies, especially that you've taken the time to draw me a picture. It sure makes it easier to understand.
Josh
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Ok, KYBOY & ADC you fellas are a wealth of knowledge. How about taking a minute to draw up a long chain diagram since I have absolutely know idea how these work, but I do have many shallow river beaver situations that up to this point have required about 20' of wire for a drowner. Thanks. The long chain method is just that a long trap chain 8-10' long staked right at the bank so the beaver can go in and out of the water at will and thus he feels more comfortable and doesn't fight the trap as hard. It does not drown them rather it holds them alive. Dale Billingsley has a beaver video centered around this method, it works very well for him. ~ADC~
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ADC I suppose I could just use a long drowner cable with a stop on the end to serve the same purpose? No weight on the end. So as long as they have freedom to move about on a 8-10' radius they won't want to twist out?
Nowadays it just don't pay to be a good 'ol boy.
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Dale uses cable in his video as well Number17. I personally don't have a big enough population of beavers to form the experiance needed to feel comfortable giving advice as far as what will and will not work. (based on my personal experiance that is)
~ADC~
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