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Starting- I think I want to become an ADC trapper! #1201460
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My reasons:
a) I like to trap and work outdoors.
b) I'd like to be self employed and set my own hours and schedule.


If I started an ADC business, I would have to quit my current job. I would need to make about 60g per year to replace the job I have now. To you guys that have ADC businesses, does this sound like a good move?


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Re: I think I want to become an ADC trapper! [Re: bic] #1201476
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Only you can make it happen.
would suggest you start small( part time ) and see what the future holds?
If you have a good job keep it they are few and far berween.
economy is not good right now and business has been down for the last year.Who knows what it will be this year?
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Re: I think I want to become an ADC trapper! [Re: bic] #1201541
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Originally Posted By: bic
My reasons:
a) I like to trap and work outdoors.
b) I'd like to be self employed and set my own hours and schedule.


Reality check:
a) Trapping is a tiny part of profitable wildlife control.
b) Your hours will be 24/7. You only think you own the business. It actually owns you.

Originally Posted By: bic
If I started an ADC business, I would have to quit my current job.


Better idea: Don't quit your regular job until your wildlife business forces you to. It typically takes a couple years before you make a profit IF you are reinvesting into the business, which is the only way to ever build to the point of a stable full-time income.

Operating a wildlife control business is not a job... it's a lifestyle. However, if it is your passion it's worth it. BTW.... most people who operate full-time wildlife control businesses started out as fur trappers. You will not believe it right now, but you will soon find winter fur trapping is the last thing you can fit into your schedule, and most have little desire to do so even if they have the time. Like I said, you don't think it will happen to you..... but I just returned from a conference with 130 WCO's and it was real tough to find ONE that still makes an effort to fur trap (besides myself!)


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Re: I think I want to become an ADC trapper! [Re: ] #1201689
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I will do that Buzz. Thanks.


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Re: I think I want to become an ADC trapper! [Re: bic] #1201719
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hey bic, i just started my own adc company. things are slow in the start and you need a lot of start up costs. i would keep your current job, start getting a name, liscense , getting certified. things like that. advertising. good place to start is finding out if there are any others that already are in the business close to you. hope this helps


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Re: I think I want to become an ADC trapper! [Re: Ron Scheller] #1201743
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Originally Posted By: Ron Scheller
Originally Posted By: bic
My reasons:
a) I like to trap and work outdoors.
b) I'd like to be self employed and set my own hours and schedule.


Reality check:
a) Trapping is a tiny part of profitable wildlife control.
b) Your hours will be 24/7. You only think you own the business. It actually owns you.

Originally Posted By: bic
If I started an ADC business, I would have to quit my current job.


Better idea: Don't quit your regular job until your wildlife business forces you to. It typically takes a couple years before you make a profit IF you are reinvesting into the business, which is the only way to ever build to the point of a stable full-time income.

Operating a wildlife control business is not a job... it's a lifestyle. However, if it is your passion it's worth it. BTW.... most people who operate full-time wildlife control businesses started out as fur trappers. You will not believe it right now, but you will soon find winter fur trapping is the last thing you can fit into your schedule, and most have little desire to do so even if they have the time. Like I said, you don't think it will happen to you..... but I just returned from a conference with 130 WCO's and it was real tough to find ONE that still makes an effort to fur trap (besides myself!)


Bic -

Ron Scheller & Bob Evans Told you the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I have no clue what buzzard is even talking about.

Real NWCO's are not made overnight, only dreams are and there is a lot more to it then throwing out a trap and collecting a check. Having a good business background is more important then your original fur trapping skills in the end.

Salesmanship, Marketing, Accounting, Strong Carpentry Skills, Building Construction Knowledge, Good Maintenance Habits and the ability to get out of bed in the middle of the night and do a job when your body says not too will all make or break you.

If you got a job keep it chances are the folks needing you may not even have a job to pay you from in the first place.The economy is predicted by almost everyone to get worse and not better for awhile.

Do some work part time on the side for experience, start buying equipment you will need a little at a time, learn your laws they are usually different for a NWCO and a furtrapper, and attend seminars when they become available .Learn from other NWCO's who will mentor you!

What are your local demographics can they even afford to pay you, what about the existing competition, can you offer services better or unique then they can. Undercutting your competition only hurts you in the end because your competitor already knows what and why to charge.

Everything I shared with you applies unless you are independently wealthy , can afford to make mistakes along the way, pay for your insurance, and afford a hefty ,marketing campaign for the first two-three years and not worried about making a living from your start up years on your own.


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Re: I think I want to become an ADC trapper! [Re: Robb Russell] #1201775
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Rob Russell Says, Salesmanship, Marketing, Accounting, Strong Carpentry Skills, Building Construction Knowledge, Good Maintenance Habits and the ability to get out of bed in the middle of the night and do a job when your body says not too will all make or break you.

I worked construction for close to 15 years, Have been doing sales and construction design for close to 20 yrs. I've got most of those qualifications you mention.
I currently have a great job that gives me a lot of flexibility and my closest Boss is 2-1/2 hours away. I see him once a month. Unfortunately, because of the economy, the company has already reduced it's workforce by 3/4. It looks as though it's just a matter of time before I will need to explore a new career. I'm just trying right now to be proactive and explore some possibilities.


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Re: I think I want to become an ADC trapper! [Re: bic] #1201901
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You answered it BIC because of the economy.

Many folks call and can't afford to pay and we try to make a living from those who can just like your present company!

Keep your day job.Sounds like you can work part time into your schedule too! Try to break into it a step at a time unless as I said earlier you are independently wealthy!

These are tough times.


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Re: I think I want to become an ADC trapper! [Re: Robb Russell] #1201933
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Well, If ADC isn't a good option, What about becoming a Male prostitute? PART TIME Of Course!


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Re: I think I want to become an ADC trapper! [Re: Robb Russell] #1201935
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Its true what Robb said. Keep the day job till you have made it a year, and figure out if you can live through a winter. Then do what you want. Better to safe than sorry.
Ron isn't pulling your leg either. A wildlife professional knows how to do more than trap. Anyone can do that.
Bob Evans is a CWCP, he is the guy you should be sending a PM with a phone # on it. He is a helpful friendly guy with lots to share.


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Re: I think I want to become an ADC trapper! [Re: MikeFlick] #1201948
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bic if your up too it?
What about becoming a Male prostitute?
Better money,shorter hours,heck of a lot of fun!
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Re: I think I want to become an ADC trapper! [Re: Bob Evans,-CWCP] #1201965
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That's right BOB. Shorter hours!!!
I'm so quick, I figured I could do about 10 jobs in an hour.
Even at 5 bucks each (because of the economy) that would be 50 Bucks an hour!


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Re: I think I want to become an ADC trapper! [Re: bic] #1201996
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Originally Posted By: bic
Well, If ADC isn't a good option,


I wouldn't say it's not a good option. It just takes a while to get established, and your first post sounded like you were ready to quit your job and "jump in" expecting to maintain your exact income and lifestyle.

When you then followed up with info regarding the unstable job situation, that may actually be a good reason to consider the possibility. Expecting to find a "good regular job" is wishful thinking for the most part..... this stimulus package is a joke and will do nothing more than postpone the inevitable economic crash which is necessary to balance things back out.

In the meantime, those who are self-sufficient will not be in Mr. O's welfare line or voter payback funding. History shows there were many people who were very successful through the Great Depression era. It's the folks with the "entitlement" mindset that drag everyone else down. You have the right idea about owning your own business, regardless what type.

Nothing wrong with being ahead of the game...... don't be like so many others and wait until your job is gone before looking into other avenues. The points I made were intended to make you think before jumping into a situation that may be hard on your family. Speaking of family, it is important that you have their total support when starting out.... there will be some tough times and it takes a team effort to make it.


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Re: I think I want to become an ADC trapper! [Re: Ron Scheller] #1202023
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Thanks Ron. Luckily for my family, I realized that this recession was a long time over-due. SO, A about 3 years ago, I put my wife through school to be a Registered Nurse. She was only working part time But now she is working Full time and has greatly increased the family income. She is doing a pretty good job of "creating a financial cushion" so we can have a little breathing room.
As I said, I'm tired of having a job that I hate, just because the money is good. In my next "go 'round" i'd like to have a job that I Enjoy. That's why I'm exploring some different options.


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Re: I think I want to become an ADC trapper! [Re: bic] #1202202
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Starting out takes alot of patience and some serious cushion....
These guys are giving some awesome advice! (Robb, Bob, Ron)

Planning, Planning, and more Planning will help you to create a much better start up.... Do the research, make the phone calls, get plugged in BEFORE you make your final steps.

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Re: I think I want to become an ADC trapper! [Re: Coppertrapper26] #1202426
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Ok Bic what experiences do you have.

Sounds like you have a strong building background that will be an asset for you. Have you worked any animal control work yet in a urban setting?

Have you looked into business insurance and adding commercial coverage for your service vehicle?

What type of services can you offer now?

Have you read your state laws and looked into the requirements for adc licensing?

Many of us here have done a lot of podcasts on starting up a adc business and probably worth your time.Lot of mentoring goes on live when we do our twice weekly podcasts Thurs and Sunday 8 PM EST.Just call in and ask questions Bob Evans,Mike Flick and many others do a pretty good job getting you in the right direction.

Please PM me if I can help further!


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Re: I think I want to become an ADC trapper! [Re: ] #1203562
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Buzzard-

I now know what you are talking about somehow you think all an ADC trapper does it trap beavers.

Bic

Study your market determine what species are a nuisance, who is willing to pay to remove them and for how much. Whatever you decide make sure the economy can support your business.

I don't think the one species model is going to work in this economy everywhere if anywhere either.

A successful ADC business should be able to offer several services and be able to do them well. Business's grow by always looking to offer a happy contented customer another add on service!


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Thanks Buzz for that tip.


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LMFAO at you Buzzard!!

The one species business model may work for you but clearly not the norm!


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Re: I think I want to become an ADC trapper! [Re: Robb Russell] #1203789
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Originally Posted By: Robb Russell
LMFAO at you Buzzard!!

The one species business model may work for you but clearly not the norm!


Rob, It's not the "norm" does not mean it doesn't work. I think instead of doing it the way "everybody else does" a little bit of research needs to be done. All depends on supply & Demand which is what your customers are going to need you for and how many other ADC folks in the area can they call.. Also, How big a business you want to have, and how much income you need to generate on a Steady basis. Am I Wrong ?


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Re: I think I want to become an ADC trapper! [Re: bic] #1203817
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Bic just study your market! Make sure their are plenty who will demand your services and you are the best choice to provide that service. Tell us all how you are doing in 6 months-Aug 09!

We don't even have a significant beaver problem here to start with somehow our Fla gator population and beaver don't mix very well! I do live in the coyote capital of the state though!


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Re: I think I want to become an ADC trapper! [Re: ] #1203831
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Buzzard, Perhaps if you explained your type of ADC work a little more, we would understand what you do. I do know some NWCOs who trap only beaver and make a good living. That would not be possible where I live and perhaps that's what the guys were trying to say.

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Originally Posted By: Robb Russell
Bic just study your market! Make sure their are plenty who will demand your services


Rob, That is exactly what Buzzard told me earlier today in a phone call. He also told me to do a bit of research to see where and IF a demand exists. Then he pointed me in the direction of several resources to help find the answers to these questions.


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Re: I think I want to become an ADC trapper! [Re: ] #1203900
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Funny you should mention retirement communities. Just got a call a couple hours ago from the one my mom lived at. Obviously they have great food because the raccoons want to live as close to the dumpster as they can get. They keep tearing the vent fan covers off and live in the crawl space. They don't want me to fix the vents, just trap the squirrels and raccoons. Who am I to argue. Gives me a chance to visit with my aunt and uncle who live there now. I've been doing this place so long, I've even got my own key. They actually do a real good job of closing things up, but then the animals figure a new way in. Probably need to side the entire building with steel!

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Middleburg is just out of my area I am actually in Columbia County and my urban market Gainesville and go from Starke to Live Oak, Trenton to East Gainesville.

You are right about the regs here. Things will change in Jul though. No more leaving state to do bat work!


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Re: I think I want to become an ADC trapper! [Re: ] #1203947
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I understand what Buzzard is saying....I think....LOL he has always had a way of throwing me for a loop. LOL

What he is doing/saying is what I wanted to do when I got started...target ONE species. I am still working on that most everyday. I wish it could be beaver here...but it won't be.

IMO......building your bussiness around one specific animal would be the best way to go. I know there are some WCOs that do nothing but moles, others nothing but bats. Building your company name, and getting that name to those who need the help with that one specific animal would be great. Providing of course you have the knowledge to be the best there is in your area. And IMO...provide a better pay check each month with alot less stress. Less overhead also as you would only need the tools for that one animal. Not a bunch of different types and sizes of traps and other equipment. I guaruntee you that if I could stay off a ladder, I would in a heart beat. Probably burn everyone I own.

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il. trapper, I'll tell you how to stay off ladders. First fall off of a two story on your head and live to tell about it. Then fall off and blow out a lung while your wife is sitting in the van, watching. Everyone can go on ladders now , except me. I wonder why?

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Paul,

I fell off one year before last. Didn't fall but nine or so feet and hit a porch roof under me. Thought I was dead.....was sore for days.....besides being very embarrassed. The home owners called 911 so they sent a battalion chief....an ambulnace....a ladder truck and a pumper. I had to walk down their ladder...or I would have never gotten on another one. I have always hated the things anyway....now I despise them. But I still climb them everyday. I have never let anyone else set one up for me again though....I do it myself.

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I did one animal for a couple of years. Raccoons, in San Diego. I did a skunk job every now and then, and some cats, but mainly raccoons.Then I started doing gophers, coyotes and honey bees, bats and birds.
I got some calls for sick coons and pretty soon, I couldn't get a skunk or coon job anywhere, but the others kept me afloat, till the population came back. Its good to be diverse in your skills, and make your customers happy.
Buzzard- We started by giving this guy some friendly advice, We dont want anyone to have a rough time. And learning and growing with your company is important. You dont want the growing pains to hit you faster than you can recover from them. I dont understand why you are calling B.S on anyones opinion. Beaver trapping can be alot of work, and Im glad it works for you.
You have my permission to respond with something narrow minded and ignorant Buzzard.


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Wrong Buzz (no pun intended)LOL- Ive watched the thread from post 1 and I was in there as poster 12. Here's an idea, try posting something helpful or interesting, even something mildly amusing would be fine.
You don't need to call me sir.


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Re: I think I want to become an ADC trapper! [Re: MikeFlick] #1206467
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MIKE FLICK, First off let me start by saying that I am the originator of this thread. I ASKED for opinions. I got them. Buzzard did absolutely nothing besides what was asked. He gave his opinion. Did YOU ever stop to think what this world would be like if we ALL thought the same. It would suk!
I read all of the posts with opinions made on this topic. Now it's my job to put the pieces together and come to my own conclusion.
I know that Buzzard's way isn't the "NORM"
I think all, should think about the meaning of that word "norm"
It means that is not the way the "majority" does it.
I really don't think we ALL are real happy with how the "Majority" views things. If we were, we could join the MAJORITY and not trap and hunt anymore. Oh, also, The majority of voters elected OB, so those votes were the NORM. I guess they must be right too!


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Re: I think I want to become an ADC trapper! [Re: bic] #1206899
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My mistake bic, listen to Buzzard, just because 9 out of ten think he's sending you up a creek without a paddle doesn't mean we are right. I think all your questions should be directed to Buzzard in the future. Good Luck


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Re: I think I want to become an ADC trapper! [Re: MikeFlick] #1207164
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MikeFlick, Obviously you have problems comprehending what you read. Here is a direct "cut and paste" from my previous post....

"I read all of the posts with opinions made on this topic. Now it's my job to put the pieces together and come to my own conclusion."

That's how adults make decisions. Gather info, then make an Educated and informed plan.
I will say again. I asked for opinions...That is what I got!


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We are the Norm bic. I don't want to bore you with details.


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Re: I think I want to become an ADC trapper! [Re: MikeFlick] #1207267
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Originally Posted By: MikeFlick
We are the Norm bic. I don't want to bore you with details.

As I ALSO said earlier...The "NORM"!!
OB got elected this past fall because the "Norm" thought he was the answer to all our problems!
Does that make the "Norm" correct?
Since trappers are a Minority,
That makes those who do not, the "Norm".
If the Norm is correct, I guess we should all quit, to join them.
I'm done with argument!


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We trap too bic. Its just not all we do. You should look into the line of work and find out what an ADC does for a living. It can be very diverse. Trapping is just a small part of it. Just call me Norm.


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This has turned ugly! Bic after you have decided )researched) your market YOU can better make a decision on what & were you want too go.If it's trapping or exclusion ? While looking at your area look and find the species that bring in the calls? We had a huge raccoon problem when I started,today if we get 2 calls a year it's a lot? Rabies!
Diversifying is the way I kept the business going.Commercial accounts can be a pain but they are steady checks,slow at times but the money is there.
So do the home work!
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Thanks Bob, I will do that.


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Re: I think I want to become an ADC trapper! [Re: bic] #1210318
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Bob is making good sense. I got into this stuff almost 30 years ago. I was doing deperdation work for any one that would pay ( NOT MANY) I wanted to be a long liner for fur. but a wife and kids made me look at thinks differently.

Back in those days there was no one to turn to and ask LOL. I remember a guy from our dept of Fish and wildlife called me and said Ron Got a bat Job for ya want it? I said sure how do I do it? His reply I have no IDEA! LOL so I got to know others from across the country and found out LOL I would love to just do beaver or yotes but we had no yotes or beaver at that time and Fox, coon problems was not a real money maker in the deperation area LOL

Buzzard has a nitch and was willing to move to a place to do that nitch wish I had his nads LOL

Me I saw squirrels as my main stay and do a bunch But still can not survive on them. so we will do all phases from birds to hippos LOL

the key to all this is, do you want to stay where you are location wise? if so you have to research what is in your area and what rates you can charge based on your company make up and cost. then look at what critter or critters. ask can I get those cost factors for x critter and if yes Can I provide for my family from this meaning all year or seasonal. If not then you will need to look at other options or services. Business is a hard thing emotion needs to stay at the back. But it does feel good doing what you want LOL unless the bills are not getting paid!

Alot of burn out and devorces in the ole days I guess it I it is still the same LOL

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Re: I think I want to become an ADC trapper! [Re: Jonesie] #1210637
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Bic, if you ever get a chance to hear Jonesie talk, don't miss it. I still have one of his printouts on squirrels, from an old NWCOA seminar. And I think that was before New Jersey was a state!

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You can find Ron Jones online right now for free in Mike Flicks signature.He has done several talks as a service to the industry."Meet the squirrel man" may peak your interest for starters.


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Thanks Guys for the info.


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Re: I think I want to become an ADC trapper! [Re: bic] #1210926
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Paul it was a year after we became a state LOL how are you doing?


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Hey Ron, I'm doing pretty good for on old person. How about yourself?

I gotta ask. Were you at the seminar the year that the goofy guy from Massachusetts got both his hands caught in a #120 conibear? And then Mike Page says " I can see now, why they outlawed steel traps in Massachusetts." I laughed so hard I nearly wet myself!

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Buzzard never calls me!!!!!??????????????????// frown

i started doing nothing but beaver work.....and did nothing but Beavers for 2 years.....
Then the "Other" calls started coming in as well...

Sure wish I was 'Just" trapping beavers still.......It is something I really enjoy.....


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Vinke don't we all.

Paul when you said that I started laughing and couldn't stop I forgot about that LOL I was in NY last year with phil and he brought up about me setting a trap LOL and handing it to that newbie in the back of the room LOL Man we had some good times LOL I have tears in my eyes. remember that insurance man getting the oh never mind LOL

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