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#1093839 - 01/03/09 07:30 AM Tidal Marsh Muskrats?
TJA Offline
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Registered: 06/26/08
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Loc: Hampton, VA
I've been trying to catch these little guys, but have had no luck. I"ve found their feeding beds and set coni's but still have come up with nothing. I can't find any runs in the marsh at all, I just see where they have been feeding, I need Help!
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#1093852 - 01/03/09 07:39 AM Re: Tidal Marsh Muskrats? [Re: TJA]
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Have you been able to locate their houses? ... I am assuming they have houses scattered throughout the marsh. If it is a tidal marsh then there must be tidal fluctuations in the water level. Check the area at low tide and see if they don't have runs to use at these times. If you can find houses and runs, you can set your conis in and at them or even better would be to use colony traps and get multiple catches. .... Garry-
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#1093860 - 01/03/09 07:44 AM Re: Tidal Marsh Muskrats? [Re: Actor]
TJA Offline
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Loc: Hampton, VA
Garry I've looked over and over with no luck. I've found them before in creeks, but in this marsh its a maze of trails that go in every direction, all i can find is the dang feeding beds.
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#1093906 - 01/03/09 08:19 AM Re: Tidal Marsh Muskrats? [Re: TJA]
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Registered: 11/26/08
Posts: 3346
Loc: Portsmouth Va.
Hey TJ if you can,t find dens or houses I have used cages and 110 conis on runs/trails and used colony traps built on floats

a colony trap used to take 15-20 rats in one night
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f2/Jonathan64/Ketch3-07.jpg

a cage trap used to take 4-6 rats in one night
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b349/Crittercatcher/100_0876.jpg

they both work good.
behind Kmart on mercury looked good to me last time I was over the the manager is a pretty nice lady probably let you clean it out for them good luck
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#1095191 - 01/03/09 06:26 PM Re: Tidal Marsh Muskrats? [Re: aprophet]
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Registered: 12/26/06
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Loc: south jersey
you should be seeing bank dens at low tide if there are no house up high.
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#1095285 - 01/03/09 06:54 PM Re: Tidal Marsh Muskrats? [Re: ub1243]
TJA Offline
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Loc: Hampton, VA
I've been looking in the banks, but there's so many turns and twist its hard to find them
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#1095415 - 01/03/09 07:34 PM Re: Tidal Marsh Muskrats? [Re: TJA]
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I trapped just a little tidal marsh rats for a short time.Let me tell you,it takes some learning.I haven't enough knowledge on it to even begin to help you.Best find somebody that has done it a good bit.Its a whole different ballgame than trapping inland rats.

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#1095435 - 01/03/09 07:40 PM Re: Tidal Marsh Muskrats? [Re: ]
NS Trapper Offline
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 726
Loc: Nova Scotia, Canada
TJA, most of my rat trapping is done in tidal marshes.

I go in at low tide and set 110s/120s in all of the bank holes, on trails and slides as well as in any little trickles

Traps are checked on the low tide.

Set that maze of trails and you will get 'em.
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#1095473 - 01/03/09 07:50 PM Re: Tidal Marsh Muskrats? [Re: NS Trapper]
bad karma Offline
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Registered: 12/23/06
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Loc: Eastern Shore of Maryland
TJA..are you looking at low tide ? Are you sure they are feed beds and not houses ? If so, they are getting to them somehow. Probably leads thru the marsh to them. All the muskrats I catch are tidewater and I have been doing it all my life. Like they said...bank holes are the easiest place to start but you got to go on low tide.
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#1095622 - 01/03/09 08:56 PM Re: Tidal Marsh Muskrats? [Re: TJA]
Rowdy Offline
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Registered: 12/15/07
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Loc: New Jersey
i'm trapping the same type of area, everywhere the maze pinches down set a 110 or a cage, after a few days you'll see a pattern, and zero in on them.
also when a 110 catch is made in the small streams look at the direction they were heading will give you an idea of where they are coming from..

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#1095820 - 01/03/09 10:22 PM Re: Tidal Marsh Muskrats? [Re: TJA]
Ron Scheller Offline
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Registered: 01/19/07
Posts: 1070
Loc: Mt. Olive, IL
Originally Posted By: TJA
I can't find any runs in the marsh at all, I just see where they have been feeding, I need Help!


Muskrats in a marsh or swamp? Leave the 110's at home. Feedbed sets are the most productive rat sets ever. Footholds on the feedbeds staked in the water with a 2 or 3 foot piece of wire extending from the chain ring to the stake. Overall, 75 to 80% of my rats are caught in footholds, and probably 90% in marshy areas. It's a good idea to mark the set locations with flagging, as they often destroy the smaller feedbeds when caught. The spot that looked "so good" when you made the set may not even exist after a catch.

Note: I have no idea how the changing water levels will affect this type of trapping, so maybe I have an advantage in the "Illinois swamps".
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#1095856 - 01/03/09 10:32 PM Re: Tidal Marsh Muskrats? [Re: Ron Scheller]
coop Offline
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Registered: 12/22/06
Posts: 1975
Loc: De
"Tidal" marsh Ron, big difference around here. 110's are probably used 90% of the time. I'd say your info is on the money for non-tidal marsh, IMO.

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#1095876 - 01/03/09 10:40 PM Re: Tidal Marsh Muskrats? [Re: coop]
Ron Scheller Offline
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Registered: 01/19/07
Posts: 1070
Loc: Mt. Olive, IL
That's what I figured..... too much fluctuation in water depths would prevent the footholds from working "around the clock" like they do here. However, I seem to notice a LOT of posts on this forum from trappers in NON-TIDAL marshes that waste countless hours trying to use 110's where they could be piling up rats by the boat-loads if they used the basic foothold sets used for decades... long before conis were invented......

Curious.... how much variation in water depth occurs during a normal tidal cycle in a typical marsh you would trap?
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#1095898 - 01/03/09 10:52 PM Re: Tidal Marsh Muskrats? [Re: Ron Scheller]
coop Offline
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Registered: 12/22/06
Posts: 1975
Loc: De
Yea, not unusual to have 4,5,6' tide rise and fall, sometimes more in N'Easters where I'm at. I don' trap tidal marsh but am familiar with it and how it's done. Bad Karma would be the "go-to" guy on here for tidal trapping I would say, he grew up in marsh mud...
We did got to Alaska fishing a couple of times and they has 20' tideal drops sometimes. High and low looked like 2 different places altogether.


Edited by coop (01/03/09 10:54 PM)

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#1096158 - 01/04/09 06:33 AM Re: Tidal Marsh Muskrats? [Re: Ron Scheller]
bad karma Offline
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 2287
Loc: Eastern Shore of Maryland
Originally Posted By: Ron Scheller
Originally Posted By: TJA
I can't find any runs in the marsh at all, I just see where they have been feeding, I need Help!


Muskrats in a marsh or swamp? Leave the 110's at home. Feedbed sets are the most productive rat sets ever. Footholds on the feedbeds staked in the water with a 2 or 3 foot piece of wire extending from the chain ring to the stake. Overall, 75 to 80% of my rats are caught in footholds, and probably 90% in marshy areas. It's a good idea to mark the set locations with flagging, as they often destroy the smaller feedbeds when caught. The spot that looked "so good" when you made the set may not even exist after a catch.

Note: I have no idea how the changing water levels will affect this type of trapping, so maybe I have an advantage in the "Illinois swamps".



Ron..we run flags on all our traps here. Footholds in tidewater are very limited but have their place certain times of the year and situations. New kids should stick to bodygrips till they learn the ropes. That means the rat must be swimming.
The amount of tide varies with how directly the marsh connects with the ocean. Some places here are 4-6 ft. where Coop and Newt are...some where I am here up the Chesapeake are 4 inches if you go up far enough. And even that depends on the speed and direction of the wind. Every pc. of marsh is a little different.
I am old enough to remember when bodygrips first came into general use here for rats late '50s ....you couldn't give away a stoploss and thousands were sold for scrap metal or tossed into the woods.


Edited by bad karma (01/04/09 06:34 AM)
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#1096225 - 01/04/09 08:06 AM Re: Tidal Marsh Muskrats? [Re: bad karma]
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Registered: 12/26/06
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Loc: Port Republic South Jersey
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#1096229 - 01/04/09 08:09 AM Re: Tidal Marsh Muskrats? [Re: Newt]
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Registered: 12/24/06
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Loc: Johnston County, NC
Are you in NC now Newt?
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#1096254 - 01/04/09 08:28 AM Re: Tidal Marsh Muskrats? [Re: Bottomline]
aprophet Offline
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Registered: 11/26/08
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Loc: Portsmouth Va.
Footholds in tidewater are very limited but have their place certain times of the year and situations.

here in tidewater at culverts in marshes right in front of the culvert there is usually a hole 1-3 ft deep even at low tide.


where he is at there is approximately 2-3 ft drop in the tide unless we have high winds I have never trapped the tidal water where he is at only the ditches and culverts on the side of the bay i,m on I trap marsh more then ditches I,m on the south side of the chesapeake i.e. Portsmouth


hey T J I have narrowed down how they get to the feed bed and then blocked their access with 110


I am old enough to remember when bodygrips first came into general use here for rats late '50s ....you couldn't give away a stoploss and thousands were sold for scrap metal or tossed into the woods.

I did,nt start trapping till 1969-70 we still used stop loss and foot traps but mostly at culverts foot traps became much cheaper when everyone start using conis
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#1096255 - 01/04/09 08:28 AM Re: Tidal Marsh Muskrats? [Re: Bottomline]
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Registered: 12/26/06
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Loc: Port Republic South Jersey
Yea, just got down yesterday afternoon
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#1099689 - 01/05/09 05:50 PM Re: Tidal Marsh Muskrats? [Re: Newt]
TJA Offline
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Registered: 06/26/08
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Loc: Hampton, VA
I just wanted to thank everyone for the Info. I'm going to try to put it to use this weekend when i run my next line, I'll keep you guys posted. Thanks again.

TJ
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