Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 10:57:08 -0800
Subject: 'Fur is Green' campaign coverage (Calgary Herald)

Calgary Herald

Making the case that wearing fur can be eco-friendly

New advertising campaign coloured green

Hollie Shaw, Financial Post

Published: Friday, December 05, 2008

http://www.canada.com:80/calgaryherald/news/calgarybusiness/story.html?id=ec4980cc-1308-4d55-8cdd-cc781a25208e



Contrarian advertising can work well if it attracts the right kind of attention. Or the wrong kind of attention.



Marketers say merely getting consumers to notice your message is half the battle in a competitive and cluttered field of advertisements, tunes, logos and images -- and a campaign that challenges widespread attitudes or beliefs can do that effectively.



The Fur Council of Canada which, in past marketing has emphasized the historic made-in-Canada aspects of its business and its ties to Native Canadian trappers, stepped up its messaging this year with a bold and decidedly contrarian declaration: Fur is green. (And that would be green as in eco-friendly, not green because an animal-rights protester has sprayed it with paint.)



Billboards in Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver and Calgary proclaiming the eco-fur message and pointing to the council's informational Web site, FurIsGreen.com,have drawn the attention -- and, in some cases, the ire -- of passers-by. The print ads are even more provocative than the billboards, depicting one fur-clad model beside the heading 'Eco-fashion' and another, literally adorned in animal pelts, beside the caption 'Environmental Activist.' The council bills its in-house campaign as a way to promote the "ethical and ecological virtues" of Canada's founding industry.



"With increasing interest in protecting the planet, we thought it was important to talk about sustainability," said Alan Herscovici, the council's executive vice-president.



"What is still not really understood is the important difference between animal welfare conservation and animal rights. Animal welfare is the idea that we use animals, but that we have to use them responsibly. Animal rights is a completely different concept which says animals have ethical rights like people."



The council contends that the industry is green, in part, because it is sustainable and has been for hundreds of years. It values Canada's 2007 fur exports at $381-million, largely comprised of raw fur, valued at about $310-million.



"Beaver and muskrat produce more young than nature can support to maturity -- that's nature,"Mr. Herscovici said. "We can use part of that surplus that nature produces that is called sustainable use."



In addition, he said, many Canadians eat meat and the council wanted to draw a parallel. "When a trapper's family is eating the beaver roast, should they throw out the fur?"



Fur coats can be re-styled or recycled, the council adds, and the raw product is also biodegradable when it is eventually disposed of.



Andris Pone, partner and brand coach at Instinct Brand Equity, applauds the audaciousness of the council's marketing department.



"It is a great, bold, strategic move for the Fur Council because they have taken the great strength of their [ideological opponents] and used it for their own: They have borrowed the brand equity of their enemies," Mr. Pone said. "This is not going to change a single mind among those who are hardcore in the [antifur] movement, but it could really open minds in those who are not as ideological. Some in the [former group] will be angry."



The campaign could have a lot of longevity, he said. "There is plenty of creative room here to work and push forward and go further with this message."



Not everyone in the advertising business finds the audacity appealing, however.



"I was just livid when I saw it," said Brenda McNeilly, vice-president and creative director at Fuse Marketing Group in Toronto. "I think people who don't work in [the advertising] business will think they can work in this business and lie in an ad. We are called to certain quality standards of truthfulness and ethics.



"There are all of these ridiculous bandwagon green campaigns [right now]. You are talking about raising and killing 40 to 60 animals for one fur coat. To say that is 'green' is offensive to any thinking advertising person."



A July study by Gandalf Group for ad agency Bensimon Byrne found 75% of Canadians believe environmental claims are often just marketing ploys, and 65% said the term "green" has been used so much that it makes little impact.



Ms. McNeilly said environmentalists might also take issue with the campaign, given the chemicals used in dressing the pelts and the process of protecting and preserving fur.



In the ads, said, "trapping is being portrayed as a livelihood [in Canada], something which is very, very rare."



While brands can be commended for trying to be contrarian, "disruptive, or disarming in their marketing approaches, clients need to beware of the backlash," she cautioned. "The more informed the consumer, the bigger the backlash."



hshaw@nationalpost.com

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Thank you!

good.. we need it.

This is what the animal use folks are facing & it isn't sane nor pretty.


The ARA control attempts are failing. So ,their anger is increasing along with their self Righteous Zombie like adherence to an ideology which fails the taste and smell test. Reading this article one realizes just how these protesters are all about getting recognition and attention for themselves at all costs. I question their mental stability. It is also qauite strange how they cut each others throats in hate mongering other ARA orgs because those ORGS are not as righteous as the one slamming the others..




Here is a letter describing a Thanksgiving day, by such a protester.

Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 10:56:55 -0800
Subject: Activist account of PA protests of fur, Staples (Bash Back!)

Bash Back! News

Philly: Assaulters, Queerphobics, & Misogynists at Fur Free Friday and Stop Staples Shopping

December 4, 2008, 8:25 pm

"The anti fur/ Animal research nuts integrity, intact???. Not likely!!!. They have been known to tell some major lies in painting their side of the story .



On the busiest shopping day of the year which the Capitalists call "Black" Friday, Philly Animal Defense League (ADL) and Bash Back! Philly struck a blow to the animal abuse industry and Capitalism's big day. Of course, we're talking about Fur Free Friday and Stop Staples Shopping Day. With one bullhorn, a few homemade cardboard signs, our masks, our voice and rage we gave rich zombie costumers a piece of us.



Our first stop was to the Staples store at 1500 Chestnut Street Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 19102. Over 200 "Staples Kills" fliers were handed out at this stop on Staples busiest shopping day of the year. Activists turned dozen of potential and now ex-customers of Staples away simply by telling them about the dirty business Staples is involved with.



Staples has been caught delivering supplies to Huntingdon Life Sciences (HLS) in a disguised vehicle. What do they have to hide? Perhaps they don't want others to know that they supply the bloody butchers and animal abusers at Huntingdon Life Sciences (HLS). Huntingdon Life Sciences (HLS) is a company whose primary business is death and suffering. They kill 500 animals every day for product testing - not for medical progress and not because they are seeking to find a cure for human diseases. They murder these little creatures for things like toothpaste and tanning lotion and food additives like Splenda and caramel coloring. They have been implicated in six undercover investigations for scientific fraud, gross incompetence and vicious animal abuse.



A global campaign to shut down HLS for good has seen many hundreds of companies, ditch HLS. Despite this, Staples continues to deliver them office supplies. Actions in Britain and the U.S. have sent a loud and clear message to Staples that activists will stop at nothing to steer companies away from HLS and drive them out of business.



While continuing to protest at the corner of 15th Street and Chestnut Street in downtown Philadelphia, activists got their visit from our "friends" in blue, the Philadelphia Police Department. The first officer on the scene, after 15 minutes of protesting, marched up to one activist and insisted they were blocking the door and can't be standing where they were. He said something like "you can't f***; do this right here. You need to move away and off private property you little [Please excuse my language... I'm an idiot]. Don't f*** with me you f***ing little dicks" The nonviolent protesters response was simply "I'm on public sidewalk and away from the door. I have a right to be here." The cop then said, "don't f*** around with me you little [Please excuse my language... I'm an idiot]. I don't get f***ed around with. You need to be 10 feet away from the door." When the protester offered to call the local Legal Observers of the National Lawyers Guild the cop gave an angry face and marched into the store.



Upon the filth's (police officer's) departure he decided to shout at the protesters, "what's your stance on abortion?!?!" One protester responded "it's a womon's choice!" The filth then proceeded to laugh and declare "ha, ha, ha you kill babies! Baby killers!" This is an example of our "friends" in blue. So Staples at 15th Street & Chestnut Street, whether or not you cop call the most unprofessional and ridiculous filth, it won't stop us. As the saying goes "We will never back down… until they stop the killing!" That they is you Staples. We know you were feeling it when you doors stopped opening and closing and suddenly you realized there were employees everywhere ready to assist customers who were nowhere to be found.



We'll be back! And we'll make it PHADL!



Onward, Philly ADL and Bash Back! Philly then made its way to the other Staples store in downtown Philadelphia at 1044 Market Street. This Staples has been protested and had surprise disruptions before, it was time to make things a little more PHADL. Activists wished Staples a happy Stop Staples Shopping Day and got started protesting. Another 60 "Staples Kills" fliers were handed out with an additional 90 anti-Huntingdon Life Sciences fliers to people walking by, potential shoppers and new ex-shoppers. We could tell that some of the cashiers inside were uncomfortable with the images. We couldn't blame them. We addressed to them that our fight is not with them. Our fight is with their boss's bosses and regional Staples managers. We encouraged them to let everyone know not to shop at Staples until they stop in puppy killing. The filth arrived after 30 minutes of being there and two additional ADLers joined the protest. Dozens of shoppers were outraged and turned away from the doors.



After 40 minutes of being there protesters began to wrap up because this day was always Fur Free Friday and PHADL had some other visits to make. While chanting "We'll be back! We'll be back!" one protester simply put their sign on the window of the store and gently banged just loud enough for employees inside to hear. Immediately the store manager ran up to the window screaming, face turning red, spit coming out the mouth and all. He ran outside with two of his lackeys from Staples shouting "Do it again you fag*ts. Do it again." And they were screaming for the police to come. Too bad the police simply told them to calm down and go back inside.



Tell Staples to drop HLS in the US: 1-800-3STAPLE (1-800-378-2753)



Staples, until you cut your ties to HLS expect more office demonstrations, more boycotting, more fliers flooding your stores and expect us to be back again and again. And managers and store associates that chose to scream "you fagots" at us. You do know you shouted that at Bash Back! Philly right? We respond with… YES WE ARE! WE'RE QUEER! WE'RE ANARCHISTS! WE'LL F*** YOU (UP)!



We'll be back queerphobics...



It was time for the rowdy queer animals to bring our party (of love and liberation) to the fur monsters. We queer animals had been patiently waiting for the Humane League of Philadelphia (formally Hugs For Puppies), Compassion Over Killing (COK) and People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) to finish up their protesting for a good few hours. With some quick explaining as to why we do not and will never work with the director of Humane League of Philadelphia and PETA, need we say more, we were given the space to do our thang at Burberry Fur at 1705 Walnut Street.



After hours of PETA signs and low-key protesting, the queer animals got things PHADL. We were chanting loud and proud. We were masked. We were uncompromising. With chants like "For the mink and for the fox… Smash their windows! Glue their locks!" "For the rabbit and for the fox… Smash their windows! Glue their locks!" And "50 dead animals… one fur coat!" "50 dead animals… one fur coat!" The block and sick monsters inside Burberry Fur stopped and turned to us. We kept it going and soon had protesters from the previous PETA/COK/Humane League protest join us.



After being their 20 minutes, a womyn, wearing a larger gray fur coat, with a child in a stroller and most likely the white father made their way into the Burberry Fur store. As they approached it activists began chanting "50 dead animals… your fur coat" and "Sham! Sham! Sham!" The womyn stopped before entering and charged a protester (protester 1) in the middle. The fur coat wearer shoved the activist's sign which was shoving the activist as well. Another protest (protester 2) stood beside the two and told her to back away and that she is assaulting protester 1. The fur coat wearing shouted to protester 2 to back away. When protester 2 didn't move the fur coat womyn spat on their face. Luckily protest 2 was masked with sunglasses on. The womyn then turned and headed to the door. Chants proceeded "It's your money… your fault! Your choice… your fault! Your ugly fur coat… your fault!" The womyn then turned around and charged at protester 2 by first smacking their sunglasses off. As protester 2 proceeded to bend down to pick them up, protest 2 was met with the fur coat wearer shoving them and attempting to scratch and slap them in the face. Protester 2 immediately put their hands in the air so everyone could tell who the assaulter was. Upon doing this the fur coat wearer shoved their head violently back against a marble wall directly behind the protester.



The result was protester 2 being spat on, cuts on their face, a bloody lip, a huge bump in the back of their head and a raging headache. Immediately the fur womyn ran into the store to avoid the police and civil affairs who were down the block. Protester 2 got on the megaphone and drew the attention of everyone on the block and in the store of what happened. Speaking on how the violence that the fur industry conducts is completely reflected on through the violence of fur coat wearers and animal abusers.



"Obviously Burberry Furs' business breed the same hate and violence that it profits off of. To the womyn with the gray fur coat who assaulted me and just ran inside, how do you feel now. How do you think people around you feel about you knowing you will through thousands and even tens of thousands of dollars around for a fur coat and then violently attack nonviolent peaceful protesters who simply want to stop the murder and abuse that Burberry Furs participates in?," said protest 2 while on the megaphone.



Protester 2 felt more motivated than ever to continue protesting. The Philly Filth (Philadelphia Police Department) eventually made their way to the seen. They asked protester 2 what happened. Bash Back! Philly & Philly ADL quickly came to a consensus that we would not pursue with the $tate's version of assault charges. We're not cop callers but if you assault one of us... we'll get you names and addresses and make this [Please excuse my language... I'm an idiot] PHADL. So to the womyn in the gray fur coat, with the child in the stroller, and the white man with her Philly ADL and Bash Back! Philly will see you soon.



Our little rouble rousing contingent made it's way across the street for our final stop of the night to Ferber Jacques Furs at 1708 Walnut Street. "We hope you didn't think you'd get a break Ferber Furs!," shouted one protester on the megaphone. We were there for a good 20 minutes and learned the name of the owner of Ferber Jacques Furs. Oh you better believe were gonna use that to our advantage.



From the cop that called us "little f***ing dicks" and "baby killers," to the Staples manager and associates who screamed" do it again "you fagots," to Burberry Furs with customers that assaulted us we at Philly Animal Defense League and Bash Back! Philly just had so much with you all. That's why we'd like to present all of you with Fur Free Friday and Stop Staples Shopping Day ROUNDS 2! 3! 4!... and many more.


We'll be back. We promise.



With Queer Love & Animal Liberation,

Bash Back! Philly and Philly ADL

Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 09:54:43 -0800
Subject: Fur protest arrests in DC, Philly (2 items(

DC Indeymedia

UPDATED: Arrested Animal Rights Activist Released Under Own Recognizance

Luke, Isis

07 Dec 2008
Two more lopsided accounts of why the ARA are not rabid criminals one they get cuffed for breaking the law. They just reak of innocence. Honest.

Animal rights activist "Adam" was released on his own recognizance at 7pm this evening. He is released with a standing order that he is not allowed in the Chevy Chase shopping district for an undisclosed amount of time.



"Adam" suffered the same treatment by police last year; it appears that the protesting has impacted the high-priced shops in the area, so it had to be silenced for the sake of holiday commerce.



There have been no known instances of physical or property damage or any actual illegal activity done by this protest group.



Nothing in their demonstrations has ever gone beyond loud chanting in a bullhorn, yet "Adam" has been a constant target of both local and Federal law enforcement.



This is not because "Adam" and the animal rights groups are a threat to anyone, but they are effective in stopping sales of industries based in oppression and slaughter in both killing of animals and in slave labor on workers.



For this, the Feds and the retail businesses have launched a successful campaign, based and motivated exclusively in profits, in targeting terrorizing and demonizing the animal rights activists from exercising their rights to protest.



When is this going to end? How much longer before good activists like "Adam" get hung out to dry?



The reality is everyone reading this board can become the next "Adam".



Originally Reported December 7, 2008:



Friendship Heights MD- Between 2:45 and 3pm today an animal rights organization was exercising their rights to free speech on a public sidewalk as a protest against Max Mara 5471-F Wisconsin Avenue, when police officers asked for the use of a bullhorn to be stopped, saying "You're outta here." The activist then complied with the police officer's request, and continued the chanting without the bullhorn.



Without any warning the activist was then grabbed by 2 police officers and put under arrest.



The arrest was witnessed by this reporter as overtly aggressive with brutal force used completely unnecessarily.



During the situation, once again, MD police tried to threaten persons who were trying to record the situation, telling them that video "with voice recording" or just voice recording was illegal without their permission under MD law.



The activist was then taken away and is still in custody as far as we know.



Fur protests on Dec 7 ran into extreme police demands in Montgomery County, not limited to the "Your're outta here" leading to the unlawful arrest.



Police orders not to videotape them in the arrest (claiming recording police oficer's voices is illegal in MD) were NOT complied with, but cops didn't try to make arrests for that, only jabbered noisily.



The protests began at Sak's 5th Ave, then moved down Wisconsin Ave to Maxmara, which faces a global campaign against them for selling fur. Finally, protesters crossed the DC line, losing the MoCo cops, to protest Neiman-Marcus's continued sale of fur.

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Break the Chains

WWW.Goofy.com

Saturday, December 06, 2008

Arrests in America - One detained

from ELP Dec. 6, 2008



The people involved in this are great radical activists that are involved

in earth/animal liberation stuff among other things.

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Today(friday) 7 activsts were arrested today for doing a fur demo at

Burberry furs in Phili. 6 of them are being charged for disorderly conduct

and blocking a highway. One person, Ryan, was arrested because he was

using a bullhorn and thought to be the leader and is still in jail. He is

being denied vegan food, phone calls, and meeting with an attorney.



Please call the 9th district Phili jail at phone number disconnected.

at 12:24 PM

Poor Ryan,no vagen food? Feed him bologna!
bob

Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:23:43 -0800
Subject: Fur as a part of human heritage -Edit. (Sunday Times)

The Sunday Times

Fur and against

Liz Hurley is back in the headlines for advertising it. But fur is part of our heritage

December 7, 2008

http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/fashion/article5286453.ece



I don't know exactly what Eve wore for modesty and warmth, or what Adam put on for flash and protection, but I can tell you that it wasn't a fig leaf. Our most distant ancestors came through the Ice Age without their bits going black with frostbite because they wore second-hand skin. Fur. We are, as I'm sure even the least perceptive of you will have noticed, nude underneath our pyjamas. Naked apes. We don't have enough hair, fur, fluff or feathers to deflect even the finest drizzle. We shiver in pathetically bald bodies for a reason — and the reason is that we look better in suede than cows do. A beaver would look stupid in a beaver hat, but Byron looked fab. And mink knickers suit Kate Moss far better than some stoat.



We shed our thick short and curlies because it was our natural selection, our destiny, our personal ecology, and instead gained those uniquely human attributes: taste and vanity. We wore other species' skins when they had no further use for them, and we've been doing it for a long time. How fur went from being practical and chic, stylish and sensible for 100,000 years, and then all of a sudden became the cagoule of shame in the past decade, is one of the oddest about-faces in all civilisation.



There have always been people who are funny about their relationship with animals — vegetarians who got religion, a few people who swept the street in front of them so as not to hurt a flightless fly — but the majority of us, the vast, vast majority, have gone on eating anything dumb enough to taste good with chips, and squashing cockroaches wherever possible. But that odd prejudice, the fatwa on fur, has become automatic and universal in our select and ethically compromised bit of the First World. The virulence and viciousness of fur vigilantes mean that few of us now bother to brave the spittle-flecked venom of that nylon Taliban of self-righteous pressure groups and dim, new-age absolutists. The argument against fur has always been more about class and money than dumb critters. Fur, restricted to the point of prohibitive expense, is now symbolic of wealth and power.



Enough. A number of furriers are now taking back the morality of skin. They are mostly from the north — Scandinavia, Greenland, Russia and Iceland — where fur has always been a practical business in a most practical part of the world. In Denmark, fur is an agricultural business. That famously dictatorial, cruel and authoritarian society farms more mink than any other country, and it does so in conditions that most Danish pigs could only dream of. Of all the animals that we kill for our personal use, mink have by far and away the easiest passing: well fed and unstressed, they're gently gassed.



One of my favourite shops is a remarkable furrier in Reykjavik. Eggert Johannsson makes beautiful, sensible clothes out of pelts. He is a missionary for what he calls "ethical fur": well sourced, responsibly farmed and humanely culled. Seals, for instance. The European Union is debating whether to ban sealskin on anyone except a seal. In Greenland, hunting them is the subsistence income of the east coast. It's what they do. It's what they've always done. There is nothing else to do. There is nothing else. They can't grow cut flowers instead. In Iceland, parts of the shore where the seals congregate were sold as agricultural assets. Farmers would facilitate the natural seal colonies, protecting them from predators, and once a year they'd cull them. But since the seal market has collapsed, so have the care and value of the shoreline, and so have the seals. All over the North Sea, their populations are fluctuating. They're caught in fishing nets, shot by fishermen. They hang around ports and fish farms like water foxes. The seals have gone from being valuable, protected and plentiful, to being waterborne vermin and endangered, because we have removed their value thanks to ignorant squeamishness and class politics.



The argument goes that once we may have needed fur, but now we don't; we have, instead, technology. Well, leaving aside the aesthetics of real, I assume you all know how polymers such as nylon, polyester, Terylene and so on are made. That they use fossil fuels, and intensely über-polluting processes that involve some of the most toxic chemicals on the planet. But that's okay, and besides, nothing compares with the eco-catastrophe that is Zac Goldsmith's shirts, sheets and tablecloths. I've been there. I've seen the greatest environmental disaster on the globe, greater than an armful of runways or nuclear bombs, worse than deforestation or any city's urban sprawl: the murder of the Aral Sea in central Asia by the drying-up of the Oxus River, reducing an area the size of Denmark to a toxic, salted dust bowl, and all caused by cotton.



Cotton is an ecological nightmare. Our demands for a cheap, inexhaustible T-shirt supply cause more damage than oil wells. Cotton has to be grown as a mono-crop, so you can't have cotton in your allotment, or sell it in the farmers' market. It's as thirsty as a sailor on shore leave, as susceptible to infestations and diseases as a Haitian hooker. Processing cotton is dirty and intensive; picking it and weaving it are two of the most hideous and exploitative jobs on earth. Compared with a cotton shirt, a fur coat is as morally blameless as St Francis's foreskin.



The most poignant argument for fur is not where it comes from, or who first wore it; it's what it looks like and how it feels. A polyamide coat connects you to an oil well and a factory; fur joins you to your heritage. It is 100,000 years of history and culture. We wear fur because it is our story. If you haven't put on a fur coat recently, or ever, try it. Cast aside your prejudice and feel it. You can sense it's not simply a statement of fashion, wealth or even warmth; the connection is ancient, truly visceral. Fur is the cover, the binding, of our long, long, story. And if you're still not convinced, then would you for a moment consider your own cushions, your pillow. The feathers inside, the bird fur, where do you imagine that came from? How do you imagine all that duck and goose skin was gleaned? I'd hate for you to be a hypocrite. Sleep well.







Have your say

COMMENTS



Amanda - If we advocate closing down a whole industry because of the bad practices of the few, then we wouldn't have ANY products in the shops, including all clothes.



Liz - Today's cotton production is one of THE major industries using child slave labour and feudal servitude.



Doug, guildford, surrey



Of course human injustices are awful too and need to be sorted out, but that does not mean that animals should be seen as less important! The use of fur is unacceptable, especially for human vainty!



Olly , London, UK



I have a problem with killing endangered animals for their fur, but fur from farmed animals is no worse than meat/leather/stomach products.



I'd be happy to wear fur if it were ethically sourced and reasonably priced.



Alex McGregor, Plymouth, UK



what a very well written piece, i agree wholeheartedly, there are too many people in this world who think that they are modern day crusaders, when in fact they are just busy bodies comforting no-one but themselves, global warming for instance happens every few thousand years, even pre Clarkson



dave, dungannon, uk



Fabulous writing Adrian! As a Brit living in Finland, I couldn't agree more. When it's -50C, nothing warms like fur. Well, almost!



K. Hall, Helsinki, Finland



How suprising to read the first five comments and find they all come from the "Animal welfare" brigade. Liz from London may be shocked to know that "Slavery, child labour and capital punishment" are still prevalent in our society and on the increase. Think baby P and Put people before fur.



Jim, London, England



Chinese Fur Industry.



Francis, London,



Congratulations on opening your article with the most meaningless sentence ever written. Thankfully this will give readers a clear warning on the unresearched misinformation offered in the rest of the article.



Peter, London,



The fur trade may be humane in countries like Denmark, but in plenty of countries it is not. Animals are kept in appalling conditions, bludgeoned half to death and then skinned alive in a state of semi-consciousness. The lack of legislation means you are clueless as to how the animal was treated.



Amanda, London,



Slavery, child labour, and capital punishment are part of our history and culture, perhaps we should start embracing them again too.



Liz, London,



Furry good arguments.



Senga, Sevilla, Spain



I thought we were slightly devolved whales and dolphins actually. The next time I put on my expensive aftershave face lotion I wonder which relation I have immortalized. In these difficult financial times Clarkson sensitively avoids the soylent green solution though.



rwn, muston,

You can't see it but my hands are clapping for the marketers in Calgary. Uh... anyone know where I can get some office supplies? I knew there was a reason I liked Liz Hurley. Oh yeah... she's hot too.