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Re: The Almighty Alaskan Thread #6 [Re: white17] #3449678
11/29/12 12:21 AM
11/29/12 12:21 AM
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Alaska
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I know I cry about this every year, but the pollock trawl fishery in the western gulf exceeded the king salmon bycatch by 150% this year. 8300 kings that won't make it to market, an Alaskan table, or spawn... and that's just 1 trawl fishery. It's gonna be a bad year for kings again and the future is grim.


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Re: The Almighty Alaskan Thread #6 [Re: white17] #3449823
11/29/12 02:55 AM
11/29/12 02:55 AM
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M.T.V. Alaska
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yukonjeff Offline
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That realy sucks!..I dont think we will ever comercial fish kings again in my lifetime.

Re: The Almighty Alaskan Thread #6 [Re: yukonjeff] #3449825
11/29/12 03:03 AM
11/29/12 03:03 AM
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Lake Iliamna Ak
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Jeff That doesn't include area M (Port Moller) they fish for 4 1/2 months and impact the whole western side of the state!

Re: The Almighty Alaskan Thread #6 [Re: white17] #3449828
11/29/12 03:06 AM
11/29/12 03:06 AM
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Fairbanks AK
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This is horrible.


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Re: The Almighty Alaskan Thread #6 [Re: watarrat] #3449830
11/29/12 03:15 AM
11/29/12 03:15 AM
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Originally Posted By: watarrat
Jeff That doesn't include area M (Port Moller) they fish for 4 1/2 months and impact the whole western side of the state!


Ye I did realize that..its a lose lose situation...now I understand how FnG can know ahead of time that the run will be weak.. they see the numbers we dont.

My guess is they will have abservers onboard studying it for the next ten years while we watch our runs collaps.

Sad to see.the worse part is we own a part of that pollok fishery through our CDQ and we cant even do anything to stop it.

Re: The Almighty Alaskan Thread #6 [Re: white17] #3449849
11/29/12 05:08 AM
11/29/12 05:08 AM
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Homer, Alaska
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Pollock trawlers' king salmon bycatch in Gulf almost triples

Read more here: http://www.adn.com/2010/10/24/1517044/bycatch-of-king-salmon-by-trawlers.html#storylink=cpy

GULF TRAWLERS: Numbers may trigger new regulations for boats in pollock fishery.

By The Associated Press

KODIAK -- Pollock boats and other commercial fishermen in the Gulf of Alaska have accidentally caught an estimated 58,336 king salmon this year, a level of bycatch that could trigger restrictions.

In recent years Gulf of Alaska bycatch numbers have lingered around 20,000 fish.

"By far this is the largest (bycatch) we have ever seen," Josh Keaton, a fisheries manager with the National Marine Fisheries Service, told the Kodiak Daily Mirror. "Hopefully it means a lot of kings are out there to be caught and they ran into a big pack of them."

Most of the bycatch came from the trawl pollock fishery in the last month, especially in the western gulf.

Bycatch is a perennial source of conflict between trawlers and people who prize kings -- commercial salmon vessels, subsistence users and sport fishermen.

The bycatch this year was large enough to attract the attention of fishery managers in the Lower 48 because kings accidentally caught in the Gulf of Alaska might be from endangered stocks from the Lower 48.

About 20 boats from King Cove and Sand Point near the tip of the Alaska Peninsula averaged 3.4 king salmon per metric ton of pollock. They picked up an estimated 24,878 fish in 12 days of fishing between Oct. 1 and Oct. 17.

Pollock boats in two regions around Kodiak took in 11,896 kings in October.

Bycatch numbers are estimated using data collected by fisheries observers. Bycatch for boats without observers is projected using observed data.

The 2010 numbers could lead to new restrictions or regulations designed to lower bycatch, but not immediately. Bycatch already was on the agenda in December for the North Pacific Fishery Management Council but the group planned only to consider a new research.

Because this year's bycatch exceeded a limit of 40,000 kings, it triggered conversations about the problem with fishery managers in the Lower 48, said NMFS manager Melanie Brown. King salmon tagged from endangered stocks such as the Upper Willamette and lower Columbia rivers have been found before in the Gulf of Alaska.

Salmon bycatch is difficult to control because the fish are always moving around, but the trawl industry does have technologies to reduce it, said Julie Bonney, director of a groundfish industry group, Groundfish Data Bank.

One option is salmon excluder devices -- openings in trawl nets that let salmon escape. Another approach is avoiding salmon hot spots, but detecting salmon and avoiding them during derby-style fishery is difficult, Bonney said.

Read more here: http://www.adn.com/2010/10/24/1517044/bycatch-of-king-salmon-by-trawlers.html#storylink=cpy

Re: The Almighty Alaskan Thread #6 [Re: white17] #3450405
11/29/12 02:30 PM
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Alaska
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They are on pace this year to bust the cap for all fisheries in the GOA and it is supposed to trigger a shutdown of all trawl fisheries. We'll see. I'm betting that they don't have the political will to go against the big money. I tried to link to the Kodiak Daily Mirror story but it requires a password. Should show up in the ADN before too long.


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Re: The Almighty Alaskan Thread #6 [Re: white17] #3451230
11/29/12 09:31 PM
11/29/12 09:31 PM
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Alaska
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I went walk about today to make a few sets in some old stomping grounds. I found this... BONUS!!! Some of you will be able to figure out what it is. Lots of bear scat (weeks old) near it, and fresh fox tracks all over.


This is a 'dead' giveaway... (for scale, it's about 4 1/2 ft long)



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Re: The Almighty Alaskan Thread #6 [Re: white17] #3451281
11/29/12 09:47 PM
11/29/12 09:47 PM
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Eielson Farm Road. Alaska
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Eielson Farm Road. Alaska
Deer?

Re: The Almighty Alaskan Thread #6 [Re: white17] #3451289
11/29/12 09:49 PM
11/29/12 09:49 PM
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Alaska
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Way bigger! The 'blob' weighs about a hundred pounds.


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Re: The Almighty Alaskan Thread #6 [Re: white17] #3451339
11/29/12 10:10 PM
11/29/12 10:10 PM
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McGrath, AK
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Re: The Almighty Alaskan Thread #6 [Re: white17] #3451402
11/29/12 10:32 PM
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Bethel, AK
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Bethel, AK
Bison?


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Re: The Almighty Alaskan Thread #6 [Re: Kusko] #3451423
11/29/12 10:39 PM
11/29/12 10:39 PM
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Lake Iliamna Ak
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Sea Lion?

Re: The Almighty Alaskan Thread #6 [Re: white17] #3451453
11/29/12 10:49 PM
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wasilla, AK
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Re: The Almighty Alaskan Thread #6 [Re: white17] #3451456
11/29/12 10:49 PM
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Kenai Penn, AK
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sasquatch?


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Re: The Almighty Alaskan Thread #6 [Re: white17] #3451551
11/29/12 11:30 PM
11/29/12 11:30 PM
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Missouri
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walrus bone(er)? Is it legal to remove them from the wild in a circumstance like that?

Last edited by hero_saku39; 11/29/12 11:33 PM.

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Re: The Almighty Alaskan Thread #6 [Re: hero_saku39] #3451556
11/29/12 11:36 PM
11/29/12 11:36 PM
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Tonsina, Alaska
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I saw a few reindeer on Kodiak the only time I hunted there in the early '90's,...


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Re: The Almighty Alaskan Thread #6 [Re: white17] #3451716
11/30/12 02:24 AM
11/30/12 02:24 AM
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Alaska
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LOL! Some very original thinkers! grin Part of a whale. The only bone near it was what looks like the oosik but is probably just a small rib. It was oval shaped and not flat like a rib though. The squirrels and other animals were working on it from both ends so it is rounded off. I couldn't set right near the blubber blob due to the eagles still working it but was able to set most of the trails leading in. First check Saturday. I'll let you know!


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Re: The Almighty Alaskan Thread #6 [Re: akpawpincher] #3451726
11/30/12 02:48 AM
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M.T.V. Alaska
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Fox fur + Whale/seal oil = YUCK! smile

Re: The Almighty Alaskan Thread #6 [Re: white17] #3451733
11/30/12 03:08 AM
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Yeah Jeff, I'm hoping they aren't rolling in it...lol! By the amount of bear scat up in the trees I would say that there was a lot more of it not too too long ago. It's pretty degraded now to mostly skin and doesn't smell all that bad.


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